Who is this French woman on a Japanese net page?

Gjones2   Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:15 am GMT
[I tried asking this with Japanese characters in the question, but they came out as codes -- at least on my browser -- so I'm asking the question again. The characters seem to display in the post itself.]

On a Japanese site I ran across a painting that I like that shows a French woman. The trouble is, though, that I can't read the text and don't know who she is. My browser doesn't have the font to show most of the characters. According to a net translator some of the characters above the picture mean 'wit and beauty combining' (才色兼備) and 'king woman' (王女 -- 'queen', I assume).

Here's a small and truncated version of her picture (just 19kb). Even if there's nobody around who can read the text, maybe somebody will recognize her or remember the painter. http://wadaphoto.jp/supe/images/beru22.jpg

Here's the link to the whole page that includes the text (it may take a minute or two to load on an ordinary modem). http://wadaphoto.jp/supe/supe03.htm

If possible, I'll like to know who she is and who painted the picture. Thanks.
Guest   Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:58 am GMT
There are some Katakana characters in the image description (those characters are used to write non-Japanese words): "yaderaido".
The final "O" probably doesn't exist in the original name and the "R" may or may not stand for an "L". One thing is sure: if that's supposed to be a French name, it's too japanized to be known.
Sigma   Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:06 am GMT
Isn't "Maria Antonieta" right?

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_Antonieta
Uriel   Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:17 am GMT
It looks very rococo -- Fragonard? Watteau? Boucher?

Could "yaderaido" be Adelaide?
Ashamed Guest   Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:47 am GMT
Uriel, you're right. I mistook the "A" for a "YA". It's actually "Aderaido" and it most likely stands for "Adelaide", as you suggested.
Guest   Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:13 am GMT
A text just above the "Aderaido" one reads: "Daughter of Louis XV".
Louis XV's third daughter was Marie Adélaïde.
Here is another portrait of her:
http://hometown.aol.com/immaginativa/images/marie-adelaide2.jpg
Gjones2   Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:02 am GMT
Guest, I believe you've got it! Thanks. And thanks too to Uriel for helping with the name, and to Sigma for suggesting another possibility.

Here's a link to yet another picture of Marie Adelaide (as the Goddess Diana). This one's by Nattier. http://tinyurl.com/8ylow

The same features -- it has to be the same person. Now all I need to know is who painted the painting on the Japanese page. If it's not mentioned, I can probably find out by looking for art pages that have pictures of Marie Adelaide. Now that I have her name I'm 90% there. Thanks.
Gjones2   Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:21 am GMT
Marie Adelaide -- Marie Adélaïde

I found a short biography. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Ad%C3%A9la%C3%AFde
Gjones2   Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:49 pm GMT
So far I haven't been able to find the name of the artist.
Cyberdragon GAO   Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:15 pm GMT
Enrico Albrici?
Gjones2   Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:07 am GMT
Thanks. From Google I see a link between Enrico Albrici and Maria Adelaide Baroncelli, but I believe that's a different person from Marie Adélaïde, daughter of Louis XV.
Same Guest   Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:32 pm GMT
Hey, Gjones, I believe I've got it!

I've found the exact same painting on another (Japanese!) webpage.
http://www.nittsu.co.jp/supp/2003zenhan/versailles2/versailles_2.htm
Written in Latin characters, we can see the name of the photographer and the place where the painting was shot: (c)Jean-Marc Manai, Chateau de Versailles.
But here's the best part: in Katakana, the name of the painter, « ジャン=マルク・ナティエ » (jan maruku nateie).
As usual, Western names written in Katakana aren't very easy to recognize...

Fortunately, by googling « アデライド » (aderaido) on Google images, I found that: http://www.nichiou.jp/r_pictures/c4.html
Another portrait of what IMHO seems to be the same person with, in Latin characters, the name of the painter: « Jean-Marc Nattier »!

« Jean-Marc Nattier » = « jan maruku nateie » ? Could it be the same person?

I'm tempted to believe so. Specially because I've found some more portraits of Marie Adélaïde, all by Jean-Marc Nattier on this page:
http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/arti-s.htm

But, I have the unconfortable feeling that the painting you've found and the other paintings by Jean-Marc Nattier don't look like they were made by the same person. You may want to check all that in your local library.
One thing is sure though, you can thank me! :-)
eito(jpn)   Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:36 am GMT
>>« ジャン=マルク・ナティエ » (jan maruku nateie). <<

Not "nateie", but "natie". (jan maruku natie).

テイ is "tei".
ティ is "ti".
Same Guest   Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:10 pm GMT
eito(jpn),

thanks for your correction! It confirms that « ジャン=マルク・ナティエ » must stand for « Jean-Marc Nattier ».
up   Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:33 pm GMT