"dog" and "dogma"

R. J.   Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:10 pm GMT
Do you use different vowels in "dog" and "dogma"? I from NY say /dOg/ for "dog", but /dAgm@/ and /dAgm{tIk/ for "dogma" and "dogmatic". Likewise, "doggone" is /dAgAn/ for me.
Lazar   Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:36 am GMT
I merge the COT and CAUGHT word classes, so all of those words use the same vowel for me.

"dog" ["dQ:g]
"dogma" ["dQ:gm@]
"dogmatic" [dQ:g"m{4Ik]
"doggone" ["dQ:g%gQ:n]
Josh Lalonde   Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:01 am GMT
I'm also cot-caught merged, but they are both [A] for me.

dog [dAg]
dogma [dAgm@] etc.

The difference you have is due to the lot-cloth split, which affected commonly-spoken words more than others. 'Dog' probably came up more in conversation than 'dogma' at the time of the split (or any time for that matter).
Travis   Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:35 am GMT
In my dialect I have:

"dog" : ["dQ:g]
"dogma" : ["dQ:gm@:]
"dogmatic" : [dQ:g"mE{4Ik] or [dQ:g"mE{Ik]
"doggone" : ["dQ:g:Q~:n]

My dialect does have the lot-cloth split, and yet all of these words share the same vowel in the first syllable. At the same time, the lot-cloth split does vary in the exact words it affects from dialect to dialect with it.
Jim   Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:51 am GMT
I have no LOT-CLOTH split so they all have the same 1st vowel for me.
Kelly   Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:19 am GMT
hot dog [hAt dAg]
dogma [dAgm@]