"wives" and "hives"

Torsh   Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:21 pm GMT
Do these rhyme for you? I have [wVIvz] and [haIvz].
Andy   Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:32 pm GMT
They rhyme for me.
Torsh   Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:33 pm GMT
[waIvz] would sound like the plural of *"wive" to me.
Lazar   Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:36 pm GMT
They rhyme for me: I have ["waIvz] and ["haIvz]. But the singular form "wife" I pronounce as ["w6If].
Torsh   Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:43 pm GMT
What about "spider" and "rider"? I have [spVId@r\] and [raId@r\].
Torsh   Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:48 pm GMT
Also:

"advise" [@dvVIz]
vs.
"surprise" [s@r\praIz]
Lazar   Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:51 pm GMT
Both of those pairs rhyme for me:

spider ["spaI4@`]
rider ["r\aI4@`]

advise [@d"vaIz]
surprise [s@"p_hr\aIz]

It seems as if you have a new phonemic split. Where are you from?
Torsh   Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:53 pm GMT
The North of Scotland.
Torsh   Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:56 pm GMT
<<surprise [s@"p_hr\aIz]>>

Was that a typo, or do you really pronounce "surprise" as "suprise"?
Travis   Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:43 am GMT
I have:

wives ["wa:Ifs]
hives ["ha:Ifs]
spider ["sp@:I4R=:]
rider ["Ra:I4R=:]
advise (noun) [E{:d"v@Is]
advise (verb) [E{:d"va:Is]
surprise [s@"p_hr\a:Is]
Travis   Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:46 am GMT
>><<surprise [s@"p_hr\aIz]>>

Was that a typo, or do you really pronounce "surprise" as "suprise"?<<

No, this is not a typo; it is actually a very common pronunciation in North American English. The matter is that while most NAE dialects are not non-rhotic, there are still particular words in many if not most NAE dialects which have lost instances of /r/, such as "surprise", "caterpiller", and "governor".
Lazar   Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:48 am GMT
<<Was that a typo, or do you really pronounce "surprise" as "suprise"?>>

No, that's really how I pronounce "surprise". I'm rhotic, but I have a pattern of dissimilative r-reduction in the following words:

surprise [s@"p_hr\aIz]
governor ["gVvn=@`]
southerner ["sUDn=@`] (and "northerner", etc)
Lazar   Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:50 am GMT
Yes, I have that in "caterpillar" too: ["k_h{4@%p_hIl@`].
Lazar   Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:46 am GMT
Sorry, a typo: ["sUDn=@`] should be ["sVDn=@`]
Josh Lalonde   Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:56 am GMT
<<advise [@d"vaIz]
surprise [s@"p_hr\aIz]

It seems as if you have a new phonemic split.>>

Maybe 'advise' works like a derivation of 'advice' in your accent, which would make this a regular application of the Scots Vowel Length Rule. Are 'tied' and 'tide' the same for you?
These are my pronunciations:
wives [waIvz]
hives [haIvz]
spider ["spaI4@`]
rider ["r\aI4@`]
advise (noun) [@d"v@Is]]
advise (verb) [@d"vaIz]
surprise [s@"pr\aIz]
caterpillar ["ka4@%pIl@`]