Which voice?

Milly   Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:34 am GMT
Which voice are these sentences in?


These are apples are ready to eat.

There are dishes to do.
Guest   Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:44 am GMT
"These are apples are ready to eat. "

This sentence is not grammatical English.

"There are dishes to do."

active voice
furrykef   Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:46 am GMT
They're in the active voice. To be the passive voice, the word after the form of "be" must be a past participle.

The first sentence actually isn't grammatical; it must be either "These apples are ready to eat", or "These are apples ready to eat", but neither of those are passive.

A passive sentence would be, for example, "The apples were eaten." "Eaten" is the past participle of "eat", and it follows a form of the verb "be", so the sentence is passive.

In colloquial speech, the verb "get" can also be used instead of "be" before the past participle: "I got hit by a ball".

- Kef
Milly   Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:13 am GMT
<The first sentence actually isn't grammatical; it must be either "These apples are ready to eat", or "These are apples ready to eat", but neither of those are passive.>

But te first one IS "These apples are ready to eat". Your examples above are the same. You've repeated them.
Guest   Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:15 am GMT
<"These are apples are ready to eat. "

This sentence is not grammatical English.

"There are dishes to do."

active voice>

Is voice only to be considered by analysing syntax then? Meaning isn't important?
M56   Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:52 am GMT
<<"These are apples are ready to eat. "

This sentence is not grammatical English.

"There are dishes to do."

active voice >>

Notionally?
Pos   Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:53 pm GMT
<This sentence is not grammatical English.

"There are dishes to do." >

Of course it is.