"mad" and "sad"

Pete   Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:18 pm GMT
"mad" and "sad" don't rhyme when I say them. "mad" has a diphthong as in "glass" while "sad" has a short "a". I'm curious as to how others treat these words.
guest   Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:55 pm GMT
They rhyme for me and I use the short 'a' for them both. Although when not concentrating, I have a bit of that whole NCVS going on in my speech (oh the joys of the Great Lakes ;) so it sometimes veers toward /ɪə/ for both. But they do rhyme.
Pete   Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:18 pm GMT

Well, my computer won't display what that is. The diphthong I have in "mad" is [E_r@] in X-sampa whereas the short "a" I have in "sad" is [{].
Jim   Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:02 pm GMT
Both rhyme for me: /m{:d/ & /s{:d/ but they don't rhyme with "lad": /l{d/
Pete   Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:22 pm GMT
"lad" and "sad" both rhyme for me /l{d/ and /s{d/, but they don't rhyme with "mad" /mE_r@d/. What about "pad"?, that rhymes with "mad" i.e. /pE_r@d/ for me, but not with "lad" and "sad".
Johnathan Mark   Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:29 pm GMT
For me, they all have [{] which occasionally comes close to [E]. No dipthong for me. I'm not sure about length distinction--I don't think I do it.
Lazar   Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:35 pm GMT
I use [{] in all those words.