I appear to have to low distribution phoneme in my speech /a:/ that occurs before nasals in my speech. "Kahn" doesn't rhyme with "ban" for me being /ka:n/, likewise "calm" /ka:m/ doesn't rhyme with "jam" /d_Zam/.
"Kahn"
I'm curious; could you tell us a bit more about your dialect? For example, what vowel do you use in "father"?
In my speech, "Kahn" and "calm" both use my "father" vowel, [A:]. "Ban" and "jam" both use [{].
In my speech, "Kahn" and "calm" both use my "father" vowel, [A:]. "Ban" and "jam" both use [{].
"ah", "ha", "haha", and "baa" likewise have [a:] and don't rhyme with "spa".
I can't comment on pronunciation, but I'll note that "Kahn" is usually spelled "Khan", if you're referring to Genghis Khan and the like. But some people do have the surname "Kahn", with that spelling.
Wow, your dialect sounds really interesting. I've never heard of anyone using /e/ in "father", or having different vowels in "baa" and "spa". Could you tell us where you're from (at least roughly), and give us a description of your phonology?
I'm from Scotland. I'll give you guys a description of my phonology later, I've got to get going.
>>Wow, your dialect sounds really interesting. I've never heard of anyone using /e/ in "father", or having different vowels in "baa" and "spa". Could you tell us where you're from (at least roughly), and give us a description of your phonology?<<
I would guess that having /e/ in "father" would be Scots influence upon English, for lack of any more information here.
I would guess that having /e/ in "father" would be Scots influence upon English, for lack of any more information here.
<I would guess that having /e/ in "father" would be Scots influence upon English, for lack of any more information here. >
You've never heard "fayther" (father)?
You've never heard "fayther" (father)?
>>You've never heard "fayther" (father)?<<
>>Or "feather" (father)?<<
Nope - I've never heard pronunciations of "father" with [e] or [E] ever, even though English or Scots dialects with such are not surprising, considering that Late Middle English /fa:D@r/ "should" have [eI] or [e] today.
>>Or "feather" (father)?<<
Nope - I've never heard pronunciations of "father" with [e] or [E] ever, even though English or Scots dialects with such are not surprising, considering that Late Middle English /fa:D@r/ "should" have [eI] or [e] today.
<<I was just reading about that in *Accents of English* the other day. It is the expected development of father, with /a:/ in Middle English. There are a lot of Scots who lack an opposition between /a/ and /A:/, using [a_"] for both. Frudd, do you have the same vowel in 'start' as in 'trap'? Or do you use the vowel of 'Kahn' in the former?>>
My "start" is /start/.
My "start" is /start/.
<<For example, do herd-heard-word-bird-stirred rhyme?>>
"herd" /hErd/
"heard" /hErd/
"word" /wVrd/
"bird" /bIrd/
"stirred" /stIr(I)d/
Not all of them rhyme.
"herd" /hErd/
"heard" /hErd/
"word" /wVrd/
"bird" /bIrd/
"stirred" /stIr(I)d/
Not all of them rhyme.