dormir, partir, salir in spanish vs. the french dormir,par

i wondering how come both french and spanish have identically ir verbs like dormir, partir, salir in spanish vs dormir, partir, sortir in french? do ou know it?

Because they have similar origins, clearly.

That's because both languages descend from Latin. Maybe it's just a (happy) coincidence that these verbs have identical "~ir" endings, but still:

Latin. dormire
French. dormir
Spanish. dormir

Lt. partire
Fr. partir
Sp. partir

Lt. salire
Fr. sortir
Sp. salir

Italian also has all three verbs in their original Latin form: dormire, partire, and salire. Though my dictionary says that in Italian, "salire" means "go up" or "rise", whereas in Spanish, "salir" means "go out" or "leave".

- Kef

Shouldn't "go up" or "rise" be "subire" in Latin?

I have no idea. Meanings do change over time, and they don't change the same way in different languages...

In Latin Salire doesn't mean salir (like in Spanish) but to jump, to leap , to dance.
In Italian salire means to go up like Spanish subir and French monter

French - Occitan - Catalan

dormir - dormir - dormir
partir - partir - partir
sortir - sortir - sortir

French - Occitan - Catalan

dormir - dormir - dormir
partir - partir - partir
sortir - sortir - sorti

Nothing strange

These three languages are the closest ones among latin language

arpitan → <sortir> = {sortir ; ausgehen}
castillan → <surtir> = {fournir ; versorgen} → Fr <assortir>
catalan → <sortir> = {sortir ; ausgehen}
ancien français → <sortir> = {tirer au sort, choisir ; auslosen, wählen}
français → <sortir> = {(fuori)uscire ; ausgehen}
gascon → <sortir> = {sortir ; ausgehen}
italien → <sortire> = {obtenir ; erzielen}
latin → <surtiri> = {tirer au sort ; auslosen}
ligure → <sciurtî> = {sortir ; ausgehen}
occitan → <sortir> = {sortir ; ausgehen}
piedmontais → <seurte> <surtì> = {sortir ; ausgehen}
poitevin → <sorti> = {sortir ; ausgehen}
portugais → <sortir> = {fournir ; versorgen} → Fr <assortir>
provençal → <sortir> = {sortir ; ausgehen}
wallon → <sôrti> = {sortir ; ausgehen}

castillan → <salir> = {sortir ; ausgehen}
ancien français → <saillir> <salir> = {jaillir, danser ; spritzen, tanzen}
français → <saillir> = {sporgare, montare ; hervorspringen, decken}
gascon → <salhir> = {sortir ; ausgehen}
italien → <salire> = {monter ; einsteigen}
portugais → <sair> = {sortir ; ausgehen}

Hi Furrykef,

There are some tricky false friends amongst these three languages:

Spanish Italian French English
Salir uscire sortir go out
Sufrir subire subir undergo
Subir salire monter go up
Surtir sortire fournir provide

"Nothing strange

These three languages are the closest ones among latin language "

No. Portuguese and Spanish share more similarities than French and Occitan/Catalan, not to mention Brazilian Portuguese and Spanish, which share even more degree of mutal intelligibility( 90%)

I suspect Occitan is closer to French than Portuguese is to Spanish; however, I agree that P and S are very close.

Maybe franco-provençal is closer to French than Spanish and Portuguese, but not Occitan . There are even some varieties like Gascon that are really as close to Spanish as to French.

"Surtir sortire fournir provide"
nobody uses sortire in Italian, the common verb is rifornire, fornire
Sortire means in modern italian to get, to achieve..
il tentativo non ha sortito alcun effetto = The attempt didn't achieve any effect