slavic/romance/german

Guest   Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:38 am GMT
<<"Latin 'casa' ("hut") may not even be native to Latin since it displays a medial -s- unknown except in Old Latin >>

Many words in Spanish come from Old Latin instead of Latin.
guest   Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:46 pm GMT
<<Many words in Spanish come from Old Latin instead of Latin. >>

"Casa" is not one of them.

Spanish shows expected -s-[i.e. -z-]>-r- (cf. nariz - "nose", from Latin 'nares'/'naric-'/naris) where other Romance tongues show -s- from 'nasus', a later borrowing (Fr. nez; It. naso; Rom. nas < Latin nasus), likely from another Italic language like Oscan/Umbrian.

Yes, Spain was colonized early and shows coincidental similarities on a surface level to Old Latin. There is, however, no connection there. It's merely appearance only.

Quit trying so hard to lay claim to Latin heritage. It only makes you look ridiculous and needy.
Guest   Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:06 pm GMT
Spanish derives from Latin, it's what most of experts in linguistics say. There are medieval manunscripts which attest the lost of declensions Latin had and the evolution to the modern Romance language It seems that the most speculative theory necessarily must be right for some people, and other, more accepted and validated by the majority of scholars are wrong according to them.If you get bored try to find the origin of other most obscure languages. Clearly Romance languages derive from Latin, and in the case of Spanish many words come from Old Latin .
Guest   Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:06 pm GMT
<<Clearly Romance languages derive from Latin, and in the case of Spanish many words come from Old Latin . >>

No ones arguing about that. However, Spanish is not special in any regard. All Romance words of Italic origin usually come from Old Latin, Old Latin > Latin (Classical & Vulgar) > Romance...
Guest   Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:10 pm GMT
No, Spanish is different in the sense that the zones at the extremes of the Roman Empire didn't receive the linguistic innovations which happened in Rome and closer provinces to Rome . So their language stuck with the initial Old Latin vocabulary carried with the Roman soldiers and settlers. For example Spanish queso comes from Old Latin whereas the French word fromage comes from "formaticum" a word which appeared much later in Latin and whose meaning is shape.
Guest   Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:45 pm GMT
Stop making me hungry and stick to linguistics.
guest   Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:55 pm GMT
<<For example Spanish queso comes from Old Latin whereas the French word fromage comes from "formaticum" a word which appeared much later in Latin and whose meaning is shape. >>

That's not Old Latin. Queso < caseus...caseus is not an Old Latin form.

Old Latin is the form of the language prior to 75 BC. Complete Roman conquest of Iberia occurred with Augustus in 19 BC, after the Old Latin period, and continued some 500 years thereafter.

In that ensuing 500 years, the Latin language got replanted over and over again. Bumkus on the "Old Latin" origins of Spanish!