Black Canadian Accents

David   Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:21 am GMT
What is the typical black,(or Afro-Canadian?) accent and dialect like? I've read reports that they sound like any other English speaking Canadian, yet when you listen to Canadian rappers like "Choclair", "Ghetto Concept" etc., they sound like most blacks here in the U.S.

Examples:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_tWcycT3Xu0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yFTz7PMFzfw
Uriel   Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:46 pm GMT
Canadian blacks probably don't have most of the same cultural factors at work that influenced AAVE, so I would guess that if they are picking it up, it's a secondary pop culture phenomenon, no?

I met a few Caribbean transplants in Georgia (call center, again!), and they ranged from having perfect American accents (one had to tell me she was Jamaican; I would never have known) to very strong island accents.
Milton   Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:20 pm GMT
Deborah Cox and Tamia sound normal: Canadian just everyone else:

interview with Deborah Cox: http://youtube.com/watch?v=opZWsSZsBf0
Milton   Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:31 pm GMT
One more interview with Deborah Cox (it's even better):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_BMGgiFZY

(her merged vowel is /A/ :) )
David   Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:00 am GMT
<< Canadian blacks probably don't have most of the same cultural factors at work that influenced AAVE, so I would guess that if they are picking it up, it's a secondary pop culture phenomenon, no? >>

That's what I'm thinking, although I've read that blacks in Nova Scotia have always had a AAVE-like accent.

What about the dialect? Is the use of y'all, etc. common?
black canadian   Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:16 pm GMT
Im not sure what generation i would be (my mom is 4th generation black Nova Scotian, but my dad was born in Jamaica and moved here when he was 8.)

I live in Vaughan (a predominantly white area), north of Toronto, and i sound like any other Canadian. My mom does too, but she can "put" her Nova Scotian accent back on when she is around Scotian family. I have listened to them speak, and they have some typical GCE, like raising /aɪ/ and /aʊ/, but then they have some words that sound like AAVE. Im sorry i cant give an example of a couple of words.

My mom has been to Georgia, and she told me that black georgians there think that black nova scotians sound similar to them.

In Toronto, people who grow up in Carribean neighbourhoods do have a slighty Carribean accent, depending on what island their parents are from. For example, my cousin (born and raised in toronto) lives in a Jamaican neighbourhood and his accent is different from mine, he can also speak in patois whereas i cannot.

The dialect in black Nova Scotian communities is different than American ones. They do not use y'all or ain't, etc.
Trawicks   Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:53 pm GMT
Nova Scotia has one of the most hisorically important black communities in Canada in that the population descends primarily from immigrants from the American South. So I wouldn't be surprised if there were some slight vestiges of AAVE.

However, most black Canadians I've met speak exactly the same as their caucasian counterparts.