Tuesday, November 02, 2004, 23:43 GMT
LOL! Before checking the dictionary I thought the vowel in CULT was the same one as in POT and SALT.
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Tuesday, November 02, 2004, 23:43 GMT
LOL! Before checking the dictionary I thought the vowel in CULT was the same one as in POT and SALT.
Wednesday, November 03, 2004, 00:21 GMT
So, you thought that ''cult'' was pronounced ''kahlt''?
Wednesday, November 03, 2004, 06:11 GMT
Yeah for a long time I thought the vowels in CULT and SALT where the same one.
Thursday, November 04, 2004, 03:02 GMT
Do I pronounce ''bald'' and ''bold'' the same way? No.
bald = /bo:ld/ bold = /bOuld/ Here's what I think is going on in my accent. There is no /^l/ I guess it's become /ol, Oul/ or /o:l/. Also it's hard to distinguish /ol/ and /Oul/. I think that this is the effect of coarticulation: the /l/ affects the /o/ so /ol/ sounds like /Oul/. However, I definitely distinguish "doll" from "dole" so I can't say they've merged. Because of this I said that I pronounce "salt" as /sOult/. On second thoughts, I think /solt/ is closer. Here's how I pronounce the other words. They're listed under their (first) vowel. /o:/ all ball hall mall tall call called bald scald ultra alter altar Paul haul hauled /@/ scalp pal Ralph talc Cal /u/ full bull pull fully bully pulley wolf wolves /Ou/ toll roll old told bold cold hold scold golf ole role pole mole hole coal bowl /o/ dolphin doll halt salt cult hulk pulsar pulse vault
Thursday, November 04, 2004, 03:37 GMT
Re: Jim
Do all Australians do this or is it just a peculiarity of your speech Jim?
Thursday, November 04, 2004, 03:47 GMT
You'd have to ask the other twenty million of us ... but seriously ... do what? I think that I'm a pretty typical Aussie Eng. speaker. So whatever it is, I guess the rest of us do it.
Thursday, November 04, 2004, 04:27 GMT
"There is no /^l/ ..." what am I talking about? Of course there is, e.g. in "dull", "hull", "lull", "mull", "null", "cull", "scull" and "gull".
Thursday, November 04, 2004, 11:07 GMT
Jim wrote:
<<do what?>> The fact that Australians pronounce cult = /kOult/ instead cut = /k^lt/ I have the Macquarie Australian dictionary and the latter pronunciation is present and not the former. Why is that, when you say you pronounce it with an (Ou) vowel?
Thursday, November 04, 2004, 23:41 GMT
The the Maquarie Dictionary should use the IPA symbol [^] ought to start alarm bells ringing. This vowel is much more central than [^] and this is according to a Mac Uni webpage.
http://www.ling.mq.edu.au/units/ling210-901/phonetics/ausenglish/auseng_vowels.html This is not to say that the Macquarie Dictionary is wrong on the phonemic transcription of the word however you ask "Why is that, when you say you pronounce it with an (Ou) vowel?" Why? To me it sounds like /kolt/ or /kOult/. /k^lt/ just doesn't sound right.
Friday, November 05, 2004, 01:48 GMT
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