France finally catches up with Europe - languages recognised

Guest   Sat May 24, 2008 6:02 am GMT
Congratulations   Sat May 24, 2008 7:46 am GMT
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It is a big progress! But does it also imply that the Charte européenne des langues régionales ou minoritaires or European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages will be ratified at last? France is one of thelast European countries not having done this important step...
Guest   Sat May 24, 2008 8:36 am GMT
"It is a big progress! But does it also imply that the Charte européenne des langues régionales ou minoritaires or European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages will be ratified at last?"

Yes. The French govt has signed the chart about ten years ago but supreme court argued that an amendment in the constitution was required. This last hurdle is going to be removed.

And it won't change anything. French Catalans, to give an example, are about just as willing to use Catalan as the Irish to use Gaelic.
Guest   Sat May 24, 2008 9:54 am GMT
How do Spanish Catalans view the French ones?
William Wallace   Sat May 24, 2008 11:11 am GMT
>>It is a big progress!<<

Tell that to Berlusconi.
Guest   Sat May 24, 2008 11:17 am GMT
Freedom for Catalonia
Berlusconi   Sat May 24, 2008 11:49 am GMT
I'm fine with this , really. But I don't think they should need legislation to tell them it's 'ok to speak their language' like France were facist or something... No, they should speak it because they want to. And if they don't want to speak it, making it legislation is pointless.
Guest   Sat May 24, 2008 11:52 am GMT
France is indeed a fascist country that opressed the Catalan speaking community. Children used to be punished if they spoke Catalan at schools. At least things are changing now. I hope it's not too late and Catalan still can be revived in Roussillon.
Skippy   Sat May 24, 2008 4:41 pm GMT
Isn't the same true of the Breton speakers?
Guest   Sat May 24, 2008 4:44 pm GMT
"France is indeed a fascist country that opressed the Catalan speaking community. Children used to be punished if they spoke Catalan at schools. At least things are changing now. I hope it's not too late and Catalan still can be revived in Roussillon. "

Maybe, but not as fascist as Spain, where Spanish children are punished if they speak Spanish in some Spanish schools. There even have been political instructions for the teachers to watch children in the playground of schools and correct them if they are cought speaking Spanish. That's Spain nowadays.
Breizh Dieub   Sat May 24, 2008 4:54 pm GMT
Bevet Breizh Dieub !
Vive la Bretagne Libre !
Guest   Sat May 24, 2008 5:32 pm GMT
French don't do it. Nationalism is a never end spiral: autonomy, independence, annexationism, imperialism. They won't drop it until they've got their medieval toy empire rebuilt.
Guest   Sat May 24, 2008 5:40 pm GMT
<<French don't do it. Nationalism is a never end spiral: autonomy, independence, annexationism, imperialism. They won't drop it until they've got their medieval toy empire rebuilt.>>

True, only look spain....
Curiosus   Sat May 24, 2008 6:53 pm GMT
Unlike Spain, Italy, Flanders, Greece, Romania etc. France doesn't need to use violence on minorities because, basically, no one wants to speak minority languages.

The French language owns a strange inner strength. See Quebec: even at the time English rulers wanted to eradicate French from Canada, many Irish immigrants joined the Francophone community and switched to French.

A few hundred Acadians came to Louisiana: their culture is still there. Germans and Italians came by millions to the U.S. — their languages disappeared within one generation.

In Mauritius, there was a very tiny French (or French-Creole) population when Britain took command of the island. The country was subsequently flooded with immigrants from India, whilst English was (and still is) only official language. French became nevertheless the dominant language. Media mostly use French, while is the sole language in business.

Meanwhile, Spanish has been ousted from Philippines within a couple of years and is increasingly rejected from Catalonia. Spanish is an extremely weak language.
Guest   Sat May 24, 2008 7:56 pm GMT
<<Meanwhile, Spanish has been ousted from Philippines within a couple of years and is increasingly rejected from Catalonia. Spanish is an extremely weak language.
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Eso es falso. Yo soy de Barcelona y te puedo asegurar que la mayoría somos hispanohablantes nativos. Nunca se había hablado español en Cataluña tanto como hoy día. Incluso el presidente del parlamento Catalán, José Montilla ,no sabe apenas hablar catalán, siendo su lengua propia el español.

<<Unlike Spain, Italy, Flanders, Greece, Romania etc. France doesn't need to use violence on minorities because, basically, no one wants to speak minority languages. >>

If this was true, France would have signed the Charte européenne des langues régionales . France is afraid of regional languages and this is the reason why they refused to do so , to protect the weak French .