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Italy, how many separate languages?
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Ambra Angiolini
the beautiful accent from Rome: http://youtube.com/watch?v=taJHwgzHa_M You can hear the clear open and closed vowels. Open and closed vowels are many times butchered by Milanese.
Monica Bellucci, the beautiful accent from Umbria:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VhE3-9huiPQ The Italian standard pronunciation is based on the dialects of Central Italy, and NOT on Northern or Southern accents.
Why Milanese is not standard (from Wikipedia):
A comparison with Italian This article or section contains only non-IPA pronunciation information which should be expanded with the International Phonetic Alphabet. For assistance, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (pronunciation). There are few differences between standard Italian and Milanese syntaxes that have to be considered. The comparison is made quite natural by the fact that Milanese speakers are usually also speakers of Italian. * More vowels are found in Milanese than there are in Italian. In particular, Milanese adds /ø/, /y/ and others; moreover, vowel length plays a role in Milanese. * While almost every Italian word of more than one syllable ends in a vowel, consonant endings are extremely common in Milanese. A consequence is that many words that are paroxytone in Italian become oxytone in Milanese. A classical example is the infinitive of the verbs: in Italian it's chiamare (with the accent on the second "a"), meaning to call; in Milanese it's ciamà. * While most Italian subject pronouns derive directly from their Latin counterparts, subject pronouns in Milanese derive from Latin dative pronouns. This makes Milanese subject pronouns resemble Italian object/dative pronouns: mi (Italian mi), ti (Italian ti), lu (Italian lui), lee (Italian lei), numm (Italian noi), viálter (Italian voi), lór (Italian loro). * Subject pronouns are doubled in the 2nd and 3rd persons singular. Singular "you are" (Italian tu sei) becomes ti te seet in Milanese; here the first ti is the actual subject pronoun (which is optional), while the second te, normally a dative pronoun, is used to reinforce the subject and is compulsory (it's interesting to mention that the -t suffix of the 2nd person of verbs also derives from Latin "te", for a notable total of three subject pronouns per verb). * The negation is postponed after the verb. This means that where Italian has non sei for "you are not", Milanese allows either of ti te seet no or ti te seet minga. Minga is an alternative negational adverb (probably derived from the Latin word mica, meaning "crumb"), various forms of which are common in other Italian dialects and even Italian itself, where non <verb> mica is common slang for reinforcing negations. Also consider French pas and Tuscan punto for examples of negations made by using words that all designate "something small" generically. Statistically, minga and no are about equally as common in Milanese, and they are usually interchangeable, although a Milanese speaker will sometimes find that one "sounds better" in a sentence than the other. A little rule for using minga rather than no may be that minga can be used to deny the presence of countable things and no as a simple negation. Example: mi vegni no, meaning I won't come: mi vegni minga it's a bit stronger negation, meaning I really don't want to come, and I won't. Ghe n'ho minga, meaning I have none (no money) means I'm poor: ghe n'ho no should mean a temporary lack (I've no money with me, sorry).
The most beautiful Italian accents, a survey:
http://www.p2pforum.it/forum/showthread.php?t=12269 Toscano 56 31,28% Romano 30 16,76% Napoletano 26 14,53% Siciliano 14 7,82% Pugliese 13 7,26% Bolognese 13 7,26% Veneto 10 5,59% Milanese 7 3,91% Sardo 6 3,35% Torinese 4 2,23% Tuscan and Roman have the highest scores. Milanese, Sardo and Torinese the lowest ones.
Sometime the most beautiful accent is not the correct accent.
Romans and Neapolitans speak a bad Italian. Neapolitans are in major part mother tongue Neapolitans. They speak Italian as second language. Lombards end Piedmontese people are mother tongue Italian.
Even though an official standard Italian (with the Tuscan dialect as its basis) did not exist more than a century and a half ago, hadn't the Tuscan dialect already been seen as a de facto standard due to Dante's use of it?
Modern Italian language was created during "Risorgimento" using Medieval Poetic Florentine of Dante, Boccaccio and Petrarch as base, fused with regional languages.
Pietro Bembo in the 16th century created the model for the modern Italian language, later endorsed by the Accademia della Crusca. Italian literature's first modern novel, I Promessi Sposi (The Betrothed), by Alessandro Manzoni further defined the standard by "rinsing" his Milanese 'in the waters of the Arno" (Florence's river), as he states in the Preface to his 1840 edition. After unification a huge number of civil servants and soldiers recruited from all over the country introduced many more words and idioms from their home dialects ("ciao" is Venetian, "panettone" is Milanese etc.).
''Lombards end Piedmontese people are mother tongue Italian.''
Not true. Turin and Milan have heavily accented Italian, thick accents, and very boring, I prefer Triestino and Veneto.
This topic has gone too far. So many subjective claims.
What do linguists say? On standard Italian pronunciation: http://venus.unive.it/canipa/pdf/HPr_03_Italian.pdf ''As a matter of fact, Italian is a real native language only in central Italy (where local dialects present substantially, the same structure as the Italian language, only with differences of register); in Tuscany, Umbria, the Marches and Latium (although their linguistic borders do not coincide exactly with administrative borders, but are a little less widespread, for the four regions and above all for the Marches, as even the whole province of Pesaro and Urbino do not come into the linguistic Center).'' On Italian dialects: http://venus.unive.it/canipa/pdf/MFo_16_Italia.pdf Taken from prof. Canepari's site, he is a phonetician at the University of Venice. His Manual & Dictionary of Italian Phonetics only give Tuscan and Roman pronunciations, and not Milanese, Torinese, Veneto and so on. Just like American dictionaries only give the General American (unmerged) and Western American (merged) pronunciation and don't bother to include Southern and EastCoast pronunciations
"His Manual & Dictionary of Italian Phonetics only give Tuscan and Roman pronunciations, and not Milanese, Torinese, Veneto and so on."
So for you Francesco Totti speaks Italian better than Paolo Maldini. Anvedi, mo te faccio er cucchiaio.
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