LOL greg's full of shit
English and romance languages extremely similar?
<<Et d'ailleurs An <rinse> est encore (et toujours !) un emprunt au français.
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No.
Middle English forms for "rinse" were 'rinsen', 'rensen', 'rinshen', 'rincen' where only the rarest and/or latest form shows the French form 'rincer'. The earliest forms clearly show the same Norse form which gave rise to the parallel French form: 'hreinsa' ("rinsen", "rensen")
The english word is therefore either solely from ON hreinsa through ME rensen/rinsen OR is a conflation between the ON and French words.
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No.
Middle English forms for "rinse" were 'rinsen', 'rensen', 'rinshen', 'rincen' where only the rarest and/or latest form shows the French form 'rincer'. The earliest forms clearly show the same Norse form which gave rise to the parallel French form: 'hreinsa' ("rinsen", "rensen")
The english word is therefore either solely from ON hreinsa through ME rensen/rinsen OR is a conflation between the ON and French words.
Buddy : « those etymologies above are all accepted etymologies ».
Acceptées ? Par qui ?
Buddy : « do you dispute them? ».
Bien sûr !
Leasnam : « No. »
Si !
Etymonline : http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=rinse&searchmode=none .
Acceptées ? Par qui ?
Buddy : « do you dispute them? ».
Bien sûr !
Leasnam : « No. »
Si !
Etymonline : http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=rinse&searchmode=none .
<<Si !
Etymonline : http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=rinse&searchmode=none . >>
LOL you give ONE source--you're no linguist for sure!
<<1338, from O.Fr. rincier, perhaps a dissimilated form of recincier "cleanse," from V.L. *recentiare "renew, refresh," from L.L. recentare "to make fresh," from L. recens (gen. recentis) "fresh." The noun is attested from 1837. >>
This is the same old crappy etymology mentioned by someone above. Look here "PERHAPS a DISSIMILATED form" --2 words signifying uncertainty! "*RECENTIARE" --where is the proof of this phoney word? LOL
I'm beginning to think you're not even a Frenchman greg, but an American Frncophone LOL!
Etymonline : http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=rinse&searchmode=none . >>
LOL you give ONE source--you're no linguist for sure!
<<1338, from O.Fr. rincier, perhaps a dissimilated form of recincier "cleanse," from V.L. *recentiare "renew, refresh," from L.L. recentare "to make fresh," from L. recens (gen. recentis) "fresh." The noun is attested from 1837. >>
This is the same old crappy etymology mentioned by someone above. Look here "PERHAPS a DISSIMILATED form" --2 words signifying uncertainty! "*RECENTIARE" --where is the proof of this phoney word? LOL
I'm beginning to think you're not even a Frenchman greg, but an American Frncophone LOL!
Oh greg,
Here is the Etymology of "rincer" as given by the Acamedie Français--I think they have the ultimate authority regarding THEIR own words
http://books.google.com/books?id=TvENAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA342&dq=a+blachet
rime & rimer are on the same page : )
and here is the etymology for "toucher", the other germanic word!
http://books.google.com/books?id=TvENAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA387&dq=a+blachet
Here is the Etymology of "rincer" as given by the Acamedie Français--I think they have the ultimate authority regarding THEIR own words
http://books.google.com/books?id=TvENAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA342&dq=a+blachet
rime & rimer are on the same page : )
and here is the etymology for "toucher", the other germanic word!
http://books.google.com/books?id=TvENAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA387&dq=a+blachet
CID : « Here is the Etymology of "rincer" as given by the Acamedie Français--I think they have the ultimate authority regarding THEIR own words ».
Une info pour ta gouverne : l'Académie est l'instance francophone la **MOINS*** compétente qui soit en matière d'étymologie française ! C'est une assemblée de fossiles cacochymes dont le "niveau" scientifique est proche de zéro. Je ne suis même pas certain que les "académiciens" soient qualifiés pour parler ne serait-ce que de grammaire... Quand on voit que cette réunion de vieillards dépassés comprend des "talents" tels que Hélène Carrère d'Encausse ou Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (mdr !), le doute n'est plus permis : le doute est obligatoire...
Et bien sûr l'Académie n'a ***AUCUNE*** autorité sur les mots qui sont les ***NÔTRES*** et non pas les leurs exclusivement, comme tu le confessais naïvement.
CID : « Look here "PERHAPS a DISSIMILATED form" --2 words signifying uncertainty! "*RECENTIARE" --where is the proof of this phoney word? LOL ».
Qu'il est mignon ! La probabilité porte non sur le caractère français de l'étymon adopté par l'anglais, mais sur les phénomènes dissimilatoires qui relient <rincier> à <recincier>, au sein de l'ancien français. Apprend à lire...
Une info pour ta gouverne : l'Académie est l'instance francophone la **MOINS*** compétente qui soit en matière d'étymologie française ! C'est une assemblée de fossiles cacochymes dont le "niveau" scientifique est proche de zéro. Je ne suis même pas certain que les "académiciens" soient qualifiés pour parler ne serait-ce que de grammaire... Quand on voit que cette réunion de vieillards dépassés comprend des "talents" tels que Hélène Carrère d'Encausse ou Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (mdr !), le doute n'est plus permis : le doute est obligatoire...
Et bien sûr l'Académie n'a ***AUCUNE*** autorité sur les mots qui sont les ***NÔTRES*** et non pas les leurs exclusivement, comme tu le confessais naïvement.
CID : « Look here "PERHAPS a DISSIMILATED form" --2 words signifying uncertainty! "*RECENTIARE" --where is the proof of this phoney word? LOL ».
Qu'il est mignon ! La probabilité porte non sur le caractère français de l'étymon adopté par l'anglais, mais sur les phénomènes dissimilatoires qui relient <rincier> à <recincier>, au sein de l'ancien français. Apprend à lire...
Au passage : ce n'est pas *<Acamedie Français> mais <Académie française> → majuscule obligatoire pour le premier mot, minuscule obligatoire pour le second.
Ah yes, good old greg up to his old tricks as usual, rebelliously in French of course.
Lancastrian Adam and he would make a good couple with their complementing styles of sarcasm, condescension and chauvinism.
Mr Know-it-all normally claims he knows best, but he's gone one better this time. Now the franchouillard is the authority on l'Académie française.
Could this dissident outcast get any haughtier?
Lancastrian Adam and he would make a good couple with their complementing styles of sarcasm, condescension and chauvinism.
Mr Know-it-all normally claims he knows best, but he's gone one better this time. Now the franchouillard is the authority on l'Académie française.
Could this dissident outcast get any haughtier?
Salut!
Isn't Greg one fantastic guy! I like him almost as much as I do the wonderfully Gallic Nicolas Sarkozy!
I really do enjoy the challenge of translating all of mon cher M Greg's posts into God's own Language! ;-)
Isn't Greg one fantastic guy! I like him almost as much as I do the wonderfully Gallic Nicolas Sarkozy!
I really do enjoy the challenge of translating all of mon cher M Greg's posts into God's own Language! ;-)
Fred: <<Now the franchouillard is the authority on l'Académie française.>>
Greg is absolutely right when he says that l'Académie française isn't scientific. They promot a dogmatic vision of the French language as the pillar of France's construction, identity and unity. As such, French is considered «clear and pure» and it can be the only language of France. Any attempt to recognize the mere existence of any other languages spoken on the French territory is denounced as a threat to France's integrity. Such an ideological vision is incompatible with the slighest, vague attempt to a «démarche scientifique» by definition. They are in a complete denial of history, claiming, for instance, that in the middle ages, the various dialects of Oil and Oc were not distinct but, on the contrary, constitutive of the French language.
But, of course, you are free to trust them.
Greg is absolutely right when he says that l'Académie française isn't scientific. They promot a dogmatic vision of the French language as the pillar of France's construction, identity and unity. As such, French is considered «clear and pure» and it can be the only language of France. Any attempt to recognize the mere existence of any other languages spoken on the French territory is denounced as a threat to France's integrity. Such an ideological vision is incompatible with the slighest, vague attempt to a «démarche scientifique» by definition. They are in a complete denial of history, claiming, for instance, that in the middle ages, the various dialects of Oil and Oc were not distinct but, on the contrary, constitutive of the French language.
But, of course, you are free to trust them.
<<Greg is absolutely right when he says that l'Académie française isn't scientific>>
And you and greg, with all your raw passion and emotionalism ARE? Look, I don't disagree that they may have their faults, but as 'touching' (<Gmc) their etymologies it doesn't interfere. You have to spare the baby in spite of the bathwater.
I'm sick of people who want to undermine the credibility of others based on a few points they are unhappy with them about. GOT OVER IT. And grow the hell up
And you and greg, with all your raw passion and emotionalism ARE? Look, I don't disagree that they may have their faults, but as 'touching' (<Gmc) their etymologies it doesn't interfere. You have to spare the baby in spite of the bathwater.
I'm sick of people who want to undermine the credibility of others based on a few points they are unhappy with them about. GOT OVER IT. And grow the hell up
As such, French is considered «clear and pure» and it can be the only language of France. Any attempt to recognize the mere existence of any other languages spoken on the French territory is denounced as a threat to France's integrity.
Bullshit. L'Acadèmie Française as its name suggests, cares of French only. Why should they recognize other languages spoken in France? That's not their business.
Bullshit. L'Acadèmie Française as its name suggests, cares of French only. Why should they recognize other languages spoken in France? That's not their business.
Invité d'honneur : « They are in a complete denial of history, claiming, for instance, that in the middle ages, the various dialects of Oil and Oc were not distinct but, on the contrary, constitutive of the French language. »
J'espère que leur sénilité ne va pas quand même pas jusque là...
J'espère que leur sénilité ne va pas quand même pas jusque là...
Damian - Edimbourg : « wonderfully Gallic Nicolas Sarkozy ».
Damian, deux oxymores en trois mots ! Est-ce bien raisonnable ?...
Damian, deux oxymores en trois mots ! Est-ce bien raisonnable ?...