Frankish language in France

logique   Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:42 pm GMT
Northern (Frankia) and Eastern France (Bugundia) have the merit to have created Peugeot, Renault, Air Liquide, Citroen, Michelin, langue d´Oil, Paris, in brief: French entrepreneurship etc. and born Louis Pasteur, Pierre Curie etc. Isn´t Mediterranian culture more based on vine, access to Mediterranian sea, salt and sunny weather?
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No, it's just because it's near Paris, the "center" of France, all the powers are in Paris, not Marseille.
guest guest   Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:24 pm GMT
" Northern (Frankia) and Eastern France (Bugundia) have the merit to have created Peugeot, Renault, Air Liquide, Citroen, Michelin, langue d´Oil, Paris, in brief: French entrepreneurship"

What "langue d'oil" has to do with being entrepreuneuship?

PS: Michelin is originated and always have been over-centralized in Clermont-ferrand, Auvergne, in the southern Half of France, in a region traditionally Occitan-speaking. At least you could find exemples that fit with you point...

Citroen, Renault, etc. have always being bases in Paris the capital. A the attractive point of France it is not surprising that it developped a lot of the most innovative people. Outside of Paris most of the north of France not more industrial/economically developped/densily populated as is for exemple the benelux or Germany.

That has nothing to see with a "northern culture (supposed to be more technic/scientific)" vs "southern/mediterranean" culture (supposed to be less economically and scientifically developped). This schema might work more of less in Italy, not definitly not in France.

We can see the map of human densities (in western Europe it is generally linked with industrialness and strong economies (appart of the old-heavy industries in Nord-pas-de-Calais or Wallonia)

http://www.insee.fr/fr/insee_regions/centre/publi/img/cart2_europe2008.png

Well, northern regione like Champagne, Burgondy, parts of Lorraine, Picardy, are among the less densily populated regions of France, and much below the human density of the very densily populated countries of the "northern core" of germanic Europe that are Benelux, Germany or England...

Economically speaking Paris is the only strong area of northern France, it is separated to the economic core of Europe (the so-called "bannane bleue", which pass by Benelux and Germany) by poor regions (one rural (Picardy), the other more more industrial (Nord-pas-de Calais).

http://www.insee.fr/fr/insee_regions/centre/publi/img/cart3_europe2008.png




" and born Louis Pasteur, Pierre Curie"

The brothers Montgolfiers (who invented flying balloons) are born in Ardèche, in the south-east.

The brothers Lumière invented and developped cinema in Lyon.

Clément Ader, pionner of aviation (before wrigth brothers), is from Toulouse. Curiously Toulouse is still the center of Aeronautical industry, known mainly for huge Airbus complex, but aslo mainy other companies.

etc.



" Isn´t Mediterranian culture more based on vine, access to Mediterranian sea, salt and sunny weather? "

You have a very "cliché" vision of mediterranean, a quite tipically northern European point of view.

Are you speaking about "culture" or "economy"?

well; like northern half of France, the southern half of France's economy is based on services (as many places in the north are), high-tech (like parts of the north-west), tourism (like many places in the north are), wine (like many places in the north are; Champagne, Burgondy), etc. I don't see the ecomically opposition you want to see; In Italy it might maybe be true, in France no.

If you want to find an economic opposition in France, it is between regions of big cities (Paris, Lyon, Marseille, Toulouse) and more rural ones (Champagne, Auvergne, Burgondy, Limousin, Picardy, etc), not north-south.
just a message   Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:16 am GMT
"Salt in the South is like petroleum in Saudi Arabia - pure coincidence, Arabs have no merit for their wealthiness. "

Well, this is the same case for the developpement of industry in Nord-pas-de-Calais and northern Lorraine. The people of these regions was not responsible for the presence of coal in their grounds.

these northern french regions thanks to their natural richnesses have been a attractive point for imigrants from rural regions of France, but also Italy, in the 19th century, but did miss their industrial reconversion in the 1970's. They become densily populated but are now quite economically weak regions.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Blaue-banane.png

The interesting point is that the major axis of Europe in term of population density and industrial density almost completly avoid the northern half of France, but concerns mainly Benelux, Germany, southern UK and Northern Italy. Only a fringe formed by the old-industrial regions of Nord-pas-de-Calais and northern Lorraine, plus Alsace are part of it. These consist in the most "germanic" areas of France; outside of these areas we notice that starting from the traditionally romance-speaking areas of Lorraine we enter in a much more rural and much less densily populated space (to wich we could had big parts of Wallonia), in deep contrast with the neighboring Germanic-speaking areas of Flanders, Netherlands and western Germany. The northern half of France appears like a sort of "empty" space just along the dense core of Europe that consititute the rhenan axis, with Paris area as a dense island in the middle of the rural areas of Champagne or Beauce.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eZ1iOBtFIgU/RwQ7e2NmDRI/AAAAAAAAAN4/AqZpsriLjUo/s400/europe_density_map.jpg



" Northern (Frankia) and Eastern France (Bugundia) have the merit to have created Peugeot, Renault, Air Liquide, Citroen, Michelin, langue d´Oil, Paris, in brief: French entrepreneurship etc. "

Airbus (EADS), Eurocopter, Michelin, Rhone-poulenc (sanofi), Canson, Lafarge, Lagardère, etc... are multinational companies have their roots in southern-france-based companies and people...



" and born Louis Pasteur, Pierre Curie etc. Isn´t Mediterranian culture more based on vine, access to Mediterranian sea, salt and sunny weather?"

the meditterranean wine-based culture is not limited to the south of France; Burgondy, Loire valley, Champagne are main wine-producing regions of France... in the north part of the country.

http://about-france.com/photos/wine-map-france.jpg