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Is it true that Italian is the easiest Romance language?
Comment crois-tu que sont prononcés "gâte-sauces", "fin de série", "arrêt de jeu", "pâtes chaudes" ?..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_phonology
Ch is not a native phoneme of French, but occurs in loan words [1] In fact French people tend to pronounce this sound like a mixture of sh and ch. Tz and dz are not French phonemes either, they may rarely occur in liason. In addition Italian tz and dz are always pronounced double and they sound rather different from the example above. You can also take a look at the French phonemes according to the Association Phonétique Internationale. Comtemporary standard French has only got 12-13 vowels sounds (y compris) nasal sounds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_phonology
Ch is not a native phoneme of French, but occurs in loan words [1] In fact French people tend to pronounce this sound like a mixture of sh and ch. Tz and dz are not French phonemes either, they may rarely occur in liason. In addition Italian tz and dz are always pronounced double and they sound rather different from the example above. You can also take a look at the French phonemes according to the Association Phonétique Internationale. Comtemporary standard French has only got 12-13 vowels sounds (y compris) nasal sounds.
Grammatically Brazialian Portuguese and Spoken French are far easier than Italian
Spanish is the easiest in pronunciation, but its verb forms are by far harder.
"No doubt Spanish is more widely spoken than Italian, but who cares much? It's very impossible for you to talk with each Hispanic person (400 million), so the quantity of Spanish speakers doesn't make a difference to those learners. Similarly, it's also impossible to talk with each Italian (70 million) and its descendant in other countries, so no matter how many native / second speakers there are, the most important factor is to think about which of the two is more important and useful for your daily life, or for you personal interest."
It's funny that a Chinese say that. To compare Italian and Spanish (The most spoken Western language) is like to compare Korean and Chinese (the most spoken Eastern language).
Chinese is important because it has over 1 billion of speakers, and Spanish because it has over 500 million of speakers, and all the things that are around: important economic languages, important in Internet, important diplomatic languages, etc.
You also can compare Italian (70 million of speakers) and Czech (10 million of speakers), and obviously Italian is the most important.
It's funny that a Chinese say that. To compare Italian and Spanish (The most spoken Western language) is like to compare Korean and Chinese (the most spoken Eastern language).
Chinese is important because it has over 1 billion of speakers, and Spanish because it has over 500 million of speakers, and all the things that are around: important economic languages, important in Internet, important diplomatic languages, etc.
You also can compare Italian (70 million of speakers) and Czech (10 million of speakers), and obviously Italian is the most important.
I was happily surprised about the absence of the the overrating armada in this thread, but they arrived. And they are not going to stop now:-((
The 400 million speakers are swelling to over 500 million. It's like a bubble (lol)
The 400 million speakers are swelling to over 500 million. It's like a bubble (lol)
<< In fact French people tend to pronounce this sound like a mixture of sh and ch >>
-- Rigoureusement faux.
C'est par contre en italien que la composante 't' de 'c(e)' ou 'c'i)' est souvent peu perceptible (par ex. dans 'facile', comme le prononçait Fabrizio de Andrè dans sa chanson 'Il Testamento Di Tito').
<< Tz and dz are not French phonemes either, they may rarely occur in liason >>
-- Pas de chance !
Et comment prononce-t-on "en dessous de zéro" ?...
De toutes façons, ce sont des sons associant en fait 2 consonnes. Et on sait que l'italien est allergique aux groupes de consonnes, alors que le français parlé permet même les plus bizarres ("j'suis", bel exemple extrêmement fréquent d'agglomérat consonantique improbable).
<< Comtemporary standard French has only got 12-13 vowels sounds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_phonology >>
-- Ha, la Wiki-culture...
Pas de chance, encore, ce lien distingue 17 voyelles.
Personnellement j'en utilise 14 (pour moi, la distinction in/un est définitivement perdue), peut-être 15, car j'hésite sur le statut du "e" muet, facultatif, instable. Je le prononce à peu près comme un 'œ', même s'il y a une légère différence de qualité entre le 1er 'e' de "venir" (volatile) et celui de "Renault" (un peu plus arrondi, et impossible à élider).
@Caspian:
<< Parisien - you forgot the 'nous' conjugation... >>
-- Intentionnellement. Car dans le français familier parlé, elle est virtuellement absente (remplacée par la conjugaison de "on")
-- Rigoureusement faux.
C'est par contre en italien que la composante 't' de 'c(e)' ou 'c'i)' est souvent peu perceptible (par ex. dans 'facile', comme le prononçait Fabrizio de Andrè dans sa chanson 'Il Testamento Di Tito').
<< Tz and dz are not French phonemes either, they may rarely occur in liason >>
-- Pas de chance !
Et comment prononce-t-on "en dessous de zéro" ?...
De toutes façons, ce sont des sons associant en fait 2 consonnes. Et on sait que l'italien est allergique aux groupes de consonnes, alors que le français parlé permet même les plus bizarres ("j'suis", bel exemple extrêmement fréquent d'agglomérat consonantique improbable).
<< Comtemporary standard French has only got 12-13 vowels sounds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_phonology >>
-- Ha, la Wiki-culture...
Pas de chance, encore, ce lien distingue 17 voyelles.
Personnellement j'en utilise 14 (pour moi, la distinction in/un est définitivement perdue), peut-être 15, car j'hésite sur le statut du "e" muet, facultatif, instable. Je le prononce à peu près comme un 'œ', même s'il y a une légère différence de qualité entre le 1er 'e' de "venir" (volatile) et celui de "Renault" (un peu plus arrondi, et impossible à élider).
@Caspian:
<< Parisien - you forgot the 'nous' conjugation... >>
-- Intentionnellement. Car dans le français familier parlé, elle est virtuellement absente (remplacée par la conjugaison de "on")
"Italian isn't easier than Spanish! Italian pronouciation is harder, that's for sure: you should learn to distinguish simple and double consonants, it's the most complicated feature in italian pronounciation. Unfortunately most foreigners don't even notice that!! Italian has 7 vowels Spanish just 5. As for grammar, in my view Italian is a bit more complicated than Spanish Take a look at the articles, the italian system of articles is richer than the Spanish one, and after that all articles combine with prepositions in different forms: dello, nello, dal dai col coi, sul etc. Spanish just has two simple forms. al/del. On the whole the use of prepositions is trickier than Spanish. Besides, Italian takes use of two different verbs two form all compound tenses: Essere and Avere and the italian use is even harder than the French one. Last but not least Italian has various pronominal particles like ci, ce, vi ve,ne their use is mainly idiomatic and it's quite hard to master it. Probably the difference between Spanish Ser/estar is a bit more complicated than the Italian essere/stare, but in this regard French is the easist because the verb estar/stare does not even exist in Spanish. "
Came to say the exact same thing. I studied Spanish for 4 years, and Italian for 5. Personally, I prefer Italian over Spanish for many reasons, but am biased based on family history.
However, for English speakers, Spanish is easier. The simplicity of pluralization in Spanish (ending in "s") vs Italian (-i or -e) is easier, articles, prepositions, etc. The rules for possession are more complex in Italian. I can converse with Italians competently, but still never use "ce" or "ne" correctly. An on, an on. Like the post I quoted above, the ONLY thing I've found in Italian that makes more sense to an English speaker than in Spanish is the use of Essere/Stare (Ser/estar). Italians almost always use "essere" like we use "to be".
Came to say the exact same thing. I studied Spanish for 4 years, and Italian for 5. Personally, I prefer Italian over Spanish for many reasons, but am biased based on family history.
However, for English speakers, Spanish is easier. The simplicity of pluralization in Spanish (ending in "s") vs Italian (-i or -e) is easier, articles, prepositions, etc. The rules for possession are more complex in Italian. I can converse with Italians competently, but still never use "ce" or "ne" correctly. An on, an on. Like the post I quoted above, the ONLY thing I've found in Italian that makes more sense to an English speaker than in Spanish is the use of Essere/Stare (Ser/estar). Italians almost always use "essere" like we use "to be".
Italian speakers are only 20 millions. The other are Neapolitan, Lombard, Venetian, Piedmontese or Sicilian speakers.
Italian is only the language of some little and poor regions of Italian peninsula as Southern Marche and Tuscany.
You can see an axample here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afy7WmxwH9A
Italian is only the language of some little and poor regions of Italian peninsula as Southern Marche and Tuscany.
You can see an axample here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afy7WmxwH9A
Italian is only the language of some little and poor regions of Italian peninsula as Southern Marche and Tuscany.
This is ridiculous! Tuscany and Marche are not poor at all! Stop writing rubbish moron! If you are that Spanish fascist we are all fed up with you, go to hell once and for all! Gilipollas
This is ridiculous! Tuscany and Marche are not poor at all! Stop writing rubbish moron! If you are that Spanish fascist we are all fed up with you, go to hell once and for all! Gilipollas
Has Italian subjunctive? What about case endings?
Spanish nuisances, go away! No off topic spam. Only subject related answers, please.
Spanish nuisances, go away! No off topic spam. Only subject related answers, please.
Has Italian subjunctive?
ahahah what are you doing on a forum like this??
ahahah what are you doing on a forum like this??