Italian Languages

joolsey   Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:53 pm GMT
@ Emmanuel

<<Out of all the varieties of Venetian, which one do you think is the most conservative, in your opinion?>>

It's hard to say the Western variety (parts of Verona and Trento) became heavily influenced by interaction with Eastern Lombard from about the mid-15th century until the late 18th. Indeed the western parts of those Veneto provinces are Lombard speaking areas.

The North-Central zone, i.e. Treviso and parts of Pordenone ( in the Iulian March and now Friulian) at least did not have the competing presence of another vernacular to influence them

Ladin (Rhaetic) however, was also present in the north-western extremities of Belluno which constitutes the Northern Zone

Eastern-Coastal (Venice Lagoon and its overseas posessions in Istria, Trieste and Fiume and perhaps even Dalmatia...though arguably this constitues a seperate grouping) was the one which bequeathed the classical orthography but it was also the port of entry for influences from other languages throughout the Balkans and the Eastern Mediterranean. So how is that conservative?

Apparently the most divergent ones are Central and Western, which puts the new Central-based GVU orthography in a different light! In other words, Northern, North-Central and Eastern-Coastal are more unified.
Alessandro   Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:11 pm GMT
Qui ci sono dei dati più aggiornati sull'uso dei dialetti in Italia: http://www.istat.it/salastampa/comunicati/non_calendario/20070420_00/testointegrale.pdf
PARISIEN   Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:33 pm GMT
<< Qui ci sono dei dati più aggiornati sull'uso dei dialetti in Italia:
http://www.istat.it/salastampa/comunicati/non_calendario/20070420_00/testointegrale.pdf >>

Molto interessante. Che nel Veneto ed a Napoli la maggioranza parlano dialetto in famiglia e fra gli amici lo sapevo già, è un fatto più che palese, ma non avrei pensato che il dialetto fosse tanto minacciato in Sardegna.

Altra sorpresa: l'inchiesta stabilisce che la lingua italiana (quella classica, academica, OK) sarebbe molto presente in Liguria... Ma è vero????

In Liguria ho sempre sentito una bizarra lingua totalmente estranea all'italiano.
Vercingétorix   Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:09 pm GMT
Il sardo é una lingua, no un dialetto.

Sí, é una lingua minacciata. Connosco una famiglia sarda che ha quattro figli. Al due più vecchi hanno parlato sardo, ma italiano ai più giovani.

No é frequente un cambio di lingua nella stessa generazione. Questo vuol dire che la lingua sarda é veramente in pericolo di scomparsa.

Il sardo appartiene al tipo li lingua neolatina que deveva parlarsi nel nord dell'Africa, prima di essere annientata dalla lingua araba.
Alessandro   Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:04 am GMT
Tra le altre lingue:

il 7,1% in valle d'Aosta è soprattutto il francese standard

il 36,4% del Trentino-Alto Adige è il tedesco (tirolese)

il 24% del Friuli-Venezia Giulia sono lo sloveno, il tirolese e il friulano

il 7,4% del Molise è soprattutto il croato-molisano

il 13.9% della sardegna sono il corso al nord e il catalano ad Alghero (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sardinia_Language_Map.png)

le piccole percentuali in Basilicata e Calabria sono dialetti greci e albanesi
Emmanuel   Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:47 pm GMT
@ joolsey:

So, do you think an official ortography for Venetian should reflect the more classical and/or 'preveservative' spellings?
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