Tom is not right on low back merger

Milton   Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:50 am GMT
Tom criticized the low back merger in his pronouncing dictionaries review:
http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunciation-dictionaries-review.htm#summary

''the main AmE pronunciation of words like office, law and dog contains the /ɑ:/ vowel instead of /ɒ:/ or /ɔ:/, even though /ɑ:/ is relatively rare among educated speakers''

It has nothing to due with being ''educated''.
It is a regional thing, and it is prestigious (due to Hollywood, for example Lady Gaga and Brooke Shields have this merger [to unrounded /ɑ:/] even tho' they were born and raised in the NYC.

It is the unrounded pronunciation that is heavy accented / BackEeast-sounding these days, because 80% of Hollywood actors adopt a merged accent.

Even in Greater Lakes Regions (old ''newscaster'' region) most people now have unrounded /ɑ:/ in ''office, law and dog'' (because of the NCVS)

So, vowel roundedness in these words in Modern American English
sticks out as ''NYC/NJ'' thing, not as ''General American''
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In St. John's NF, Burlington VT, Columbus OH, and most parts west of the Mississippi River most (if not all) speakers have unrounded /ɑ:/ in these words, and in the most parts of the Midwest, Northern Inland Region too (due to NCVS)...Also, many Southerners have this ''unrounded'' pronunciation (Kentucky and Florida are transitionally to fully cot/caught merged). In some words like ALL, ALSO, most Southerners have the unrounded /ɑ:/, even those who have the rounded vowel in ''office, law and dog'' .

Pronunciation is not mathematics, you cannot learn it from a book.
Tom   Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:59 pm GMT
That's not what I'm hearing. How about some evidence?
blanc   Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:27 am GMT
Milton:
You seem to really adore Lady Gaga and Brooke Shields. You mention their names in almost every thread! :-)
J.   Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:46 am GMT
Lady Gaga is prestigious now?
LadyViolet   Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:25 pm GMT
People find Western US accents the least accented: Southern accents and Indland North accents are avoided, so are the thick accents of Back East (NYC/NJ).

General American of today = Western US accents (excluding some sociolects like Valspeak). Who is to blame? Hollywood maybe?

''Married with Children'' was set in Chicago, yet all actors had the low back merger typical of California. And not all of them were Californian.
feati   Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:39 pm GMT
>>Tom [Administrator] Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:59 pm GMT
>How about some evidence?

Inland North:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtbbWlaJC-k
0:47 - "off", 0:49 - "ball", 1:10 - "called"

West:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y71G-S6BlE
0:25 - "talk", 0:36 - "call"

Canada:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa3CY9YauGQ
0:34 - "wrong"