English: 'Can you find the Germanic equivalents?'

Kenna D   Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:07 pm GMT
poison / venom
feeling / emotion
freedom / liberty :)
Sander   Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:09 pm GMT
Poison and venom are both Romance and I guess you turned the topic's 'purpose' up side down ;-)
Ecko   Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:50 pm GMT
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Modern French:
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Aperitif-?
Bourgeois middle class
Café-coffee
Camouflage blend in
Chateau castle
Chef cook
Debacle ?
Debut /
Dessert /
Elite best
Hotel /
Lingerie underwear
Morale enthusiasm?
Prestige /
Regime rule,
Silhouette shadow
Souvenir gift
Voyeur ?
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Old French:
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Allow let
Beauty looks
Conquest /
Defeat beat
Destroy ruin
Dinner supper?
Forest woods
Garden /
Honest /
Interest /
Judge /
Loyal faithful?
Place /
Poison /
Push /
Quest search venture?
Royal rich?
Stuff things, S**t?
Sure certain?
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Latin:
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Add /
Area /
Candle /
Complex compilicated intracate?
Data /
Decide choose
Genius
Illiteracy /
Immoral unjust
Immortality /
Ingenious smart , clever
Interim time being
Literature writing
Media/
Memory/
Peninsula/
Propaganda/
Referendum/
Status /
greg   Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:44 am GMT
Jeb : An <task>, <range>, <faith> & <group> viennent de l'ancien français. An <recall> possède un préfixe franco-latin.

Kirk : <eatery> = suffixe franco-latin. <Coffee> : turc ou arabe. <Rich>, <reminder>, <tear apart> sont tous — partiellement ou entièrement — latins.

;)
greg   Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:53 am GMT
Ecko : <class>, <castle>, <enthusiasm>, <ruin>, <search>, <venture>, <certain>, <supper>, <complicated> & <just> viennent de l'ancien ou du moyen-français. <Intricate> vient du latin.

Erratum (Kirk) : <rich> a juste été influencé par la graphie française.

D'autre part <looks> ne veut pas dire <beauty>. Je ne vois pas le rapport entre <morale> et <enthusiasm>.

Ça va être dur !
Sander   Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:33 am GMT
I agree with greg, most of the synonyms you found were of Romance origin.
Ecko   Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:35 am GMT
Not all fo those words actually have any Germanic equivelents. some Germanic words have Latin based synonyms, but many were just replaced and never made from Anglo Saxon to Modern English.
Guest   Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:07 pm GMT
I have listed only those for which I could find a plausible (?) Germanic variant which has not been mentioned yet (but it is on you to decide). Some of them are more or less successful coinages of mine. :)

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Modern French:
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Aperitif - opening drink, meal-starter
Bourgeois - middlebrow (modeled on "highbrow" and "lowbrow", therefore somewhat ironic)
Debut - step-in (used in a figurative sense, but perhaps more appropriate for "entry")
Dessert - meal-sweetener, aftermeal
Elite - upperfolk
Silhouette - shadow-shape
Souvenir - tripgift
Voyeur - hide-looker

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Old French:
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Dinner - even(ing)meal
Judge - sheriff
Place - spot
Poison - deathstuff
Quest - hunt, search
Royal - kingly
Stuff - is this Old French? (German also has "Stoff", now meaning "material, cloth", so it could be a Germanic loanword to French)

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Latin:
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Illiteracy - unwritness
Immortality - deathlessness
Interim - meantime
Literature - writ-craft (not to be confused with "witchcraft")
Memory - mindsearch (not sure if "mind" is Germanic, though, could be a derivative of Latin "mens"), timesearch (for the actual act of remembering) timeshape (for a definite memory that is recalled)
Peninsula - shoretongue (figurative, of course)
Easterner   Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:08 pm GMT
Sorry, the above post was mine.
venkat   Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:19 pm GMT
That is nothing special in this discussion. because every language have some tuch with other language. that's it.
Sander   Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:45 pm GMT
I disagree,

It's quite remarkable that English 'misses' a lot of Germanic synonims for these romance words.
Guest   Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:27 pm GMT
Allow -- to let
Beauty -- good looks
Conquest -- a win
Defeat -- to beat
Destroy -- to tear down
Dinner -- evening chow/feed/nosh
Forest -- timberland
Garden -- yard
Honest -- truthful
Interest -- take a liking to
Judge -- to make out
Loyal -- dinky-di
Place -- a whereabouts
Poison -- bane
Push -- shove
Quest -- delving
Royal - lordly/blue-blooded
Stuff - things
Sure - steadfast
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Latin:
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Add -- tack on
Area -- neighbourhood/whereabouts
Candle -- waxstick
Complex - hard/tricky
Data -- tidings
Decide -- pick
Genius -- highly gifted
Illiteracy - unlettered
Immoral - unrighteous
Immortality - everlasting
Ingenious - very clever
Interim - break
Literature - reading material/body of works
Media - marking roll
Memory - mind's eye
Peninsula - jutting head
Propaganda - bull (shit)
Referendum - poll
Status - worth
Guest   Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:36 pm GMT
* literature -- reading stuff
** memory -- bethinking
greg   Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:03 am GMT
Guest : désolé mais <unrighteous> est refusé. :)


Le suffixe <—eous> est calqué soit sur le français <—eux>/<—euse> soit sur le latin <—eus>.
Guest   Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:51 pm GMT
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Modern French:
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Aperitif Opening
Bourgeois townish
Café Streetside
Camouflage
Chateau stronghold
Chef Headcook
Debacle -
Debut Outthrust, Outstrut, Show-out
Dessert Aftermeal
Elite Chosen
Hotel Guesthouse
Lingerie Nightie(s)
Morale Heart
Prestige Firstness
Regime Wield
Silhouette Shadow
Souvenir Keepsake
Voyeur Watcher
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Old French:
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Allow Let
Beauty comeliness
Conquest overcome, take-over
Defeat beat
Destroy fordo, undo
Dinner evening-meal
Forest wold, weald, woods, holt
Garden yard
Honest truthful
Interest yearning
Judge deem, Deemer
Loyal true
Place stead
Poison Fishblood : ]
Push Shove, Drive
Quest Seek
Royal Kingly
Stuff Things
Sure (I)Wis
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Latin:
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Add Fay
Area Room
Candle Taper
Complex Manifold
Data (the form of the word is from Latin, but the definition/concept as we use it today is not. Let's not credit the Romans for things they did not achieve)
Decide Deem
Genius -
Illiteracy unreading, readlessness
Immoral Sinful
Immortality Sinfulness
Ingenious -
Interim Middletime
Literature Reading, Lore
Media Middleness
Memory Mind
Peninsula Ness
Propaganda -
Referendum -
Status Hood (as in childHOOD)

I would love to revive Old English words for some of these: "dreave" for push<draefan-to cause to drive, "allieve" for let<alyfan, etc etc etc