Milton

socialist?   Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:12 pm GMT
Hi
I've heard many Americans say ''Canada is a socialist country'' or ''Canada has a socialist health care system''.

Shouldn't it be ''social'' instead of ''socialist''?
To me, ''socialist'' sounds a bit dated, like an Eastern Europe system used until 1990...Why are Americans calling Canada (and France, Germany) ''socialist''...They are not socialist countries, but democtrat, capitalistic countries with substantial social care for their citizens.
guest   Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:19 pm GMT
"socialist" refers to "socialism" which is accurate here

"social" refers to "society" in general

see the difference?
Guest   Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:24 pm GMT
Ummmmm, when countries have phenomenally high tax rates (up to 50%) the government uses the money to support social welfare systems, such as free education and heath care, institutions for the poor, unemployed, elderly, etc. It doesn't matter what you *think* when you hear "socialist," what matters is the generally accepted definition of the term and the way it is applied. Research the word first and then make claims.
Guest   Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:20 pm GMT
greg   Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:36 pm GMT
socialist? : « To me, ''socialist'' sounds a bit dated, like an Eastern Europe system used until 1990... ».

Le terme <socialiste> est toujours d'actualité, n'en déplaise à certains. Il suffit, pour prendre un exemple identifiable par tous, de songer à Pascal Lamy (DG de l'OMC → depuis longtemps) & à DSK¹ (DG du FMI → depuis peu).

¹DSK : Domique Strauss-Kahn → rival malheureux de Ségolène Royal lors des primaires du PS en 2007.

OMC = Organisation mondiale du commerce
FMI = Fonds monétaire international





En ce qui concerne la terminologie, il y a non seulement <socialiste> & <social>, mais aussi <sociétal>. Pas tout à fait la même chose.
greg   Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:37 pm GMT
ERRATUM

¹DSK : Dominique Strauss-Kahn
Guest   Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:42 pm GMT
<<En ce qui concerne la terminologie, il y a non seulement <socialiste> & <social>, mais aussi <sociétal>. Pas tout à fait la même chose. >>

yeah, and "socialistic" too...what's your point?

so it should be "sociality"
GEEZ
Skippy   Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:26 pm GMT
"Socialist" is correct. Although Canada is not a *socialist* country, its health care system can be argued to be "socialist" because it is provided solely through taxes.

People try to gauge a nation's "socialist-ness" by looking solely at taxes, but this is a fairly rough estimate and doesn't consider other factors.
Guest   Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:48 pm GMT
Ummmmm, it's also what % of its GDP a country spends on welfare. That puts Canada way behind Europe (but still higher than US, of course).
Anthony Benn   Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:53 pm GMT
Is UK a socialist country on that basis?.
Skippy   Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:11 am GMT
My understanding is that the UK is MORE socialist than Canada, though I wouldn't say it is a socialist country per se.
Milton   Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:42 pm GMT
''I think you wrote your name in the subject box, and the subject as your name. Would you like me to fix it?''

Yes please.
thanks
Milton   Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:44 pm GMT
Milton   Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:46 pm GMT
It appears that Portugal is the only socialist country in West (Developed world).
''Portuguese Republic (República Portuguesa) (retains constitutional references to socialism)''
Milton   Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:48 pm GMT
In Europe, ''socialism'' is different than ''social democracy''.
I don't know why Americans call these social democracy governments socialist governments.