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I can't understand anything anyone says in The West Wing and find it hard to believe
that anyone really talks like that in real life. All the characters talk at about
100mph and seem to be just regurgitating endless masses of boring statistics. Do
people really talk like that in the States? George (Dubya) Bush certainly doesn't,
but is that because he is a moron and has difficulties talking at all?
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It's not because he is a moron it's cause he's from the south with the stigmatization
of being stupid that comes with the accent.He just sounds moronic.I've never seen
the west wing but people speak differently all across the U.S. Up north,especially
in NYC, people speak much faster were the pace of life tends to be faster but the
further south the slower it gets with the carictaristic drawl. Life also tends to
much slower paced down that way.
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Re: "It's not because he is a moron it's cause he's from the south with the stigmatization
of being stupid that comes with the accent."
That's interesting. I'm British and can't really tell the difference between most
U.S. English accents, so I have no idea of the stigma which Dubya's accent has on
the other side of the Atlantic. I think he's stupid (as do an awful lot of people
outside of the U.S.), not because of how he says things (i.e. his accent), but because
of what he says.
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The people on "West Wing" sound fairly normal to my Californian ears. Of course
since it's a show centering around politics and the federal government, they do tend
to go on at times with all that boring statistical information.
Ash, not all people from the South speak the way Bush speaks. Bush's speech pattern
is punctuated with long pauses, hesitation, and stammering. Bill Clinton's from
the South and he was/is rather eloquent in speech. With Bush everytime he pauses,
you can tell his brain is working overtime trying to think up words and then trying
to string them into cohesive sentences. Our president is none too bright -- he has
a limited vocabulary and the lowest I.Q. on record of the last 12 US Presidents.
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This forom is not to express political views. I never said people from the south
were stammerers but that the accent has a stigmatization with it and thats not the
only reason why he sounds stupid to people.
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I never claimed that you said people from the south were stammerers. However, you
did say that Bush sounds moronic because of the stigma attached to Southern accents.
I was merely refuting your statement by commenting that Bush's halting speech pattern
is the reason why he comes across as moronic, and not because of any stigma attached
to Southern accents.
If you believe that making a comment on the state of Bush's intelligence is expressing
a political view, then I apologize for breaking forum rules.
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Alot of people I know seem to think that way though. That southern accents sound
stupid and that it was part of the reason he sounds stupid.
I respect your opinions on Bush based on other reasons such as what he says or proof
of IQ, but I don't think it fair to judge a person stupid based soley on how they
sound. Wich is what came across to me when the comments were made.
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Most Americans talk faster than the British do. British accents hold many of their
vowels for more beats than general American ones. It's why Americans think Brits
sound more eloquent and stylish when they speak. Southern accents are not spoken
quickly, though, and this is because they glide their vowels, basically diphthongizing
them more than northerners do. The "long I" vowel is an exception, of course, which
becomes "ah" in southern accents.
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Re: "This forom [sic] is not to express political views. I never said people from
the south were stammerers but that the accent has a stigmatization with it and thats
[sic] not the only reason why he sounds stupid to people."
Do you not think that accent stigmatization is in any way political?
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Meant* sorry. [sic] ?? whats that?
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sic.....It means that something is rewritten as it was originally written....in other
words, you spelled the word "forum" wrong (you wrote "forom) and in copying your
text, Hythloday included your spelling mistake, but wrote [sic] so as to let others
know.
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oh,ok. I didn't think you'd have do that (let peole know) because it was a quote.
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The people on the West Wing sound okay to me a lot like the reporters on CNN or
Fox.Bush is from Texas he is NOT a moron.I like him a lot.
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Most of the West Wing characters do speak unusually quickly, but not to the extent
that it sounds strange to most Americans. While there is a stereotype that exists
in the US about slow southerners, (meaning that they are both slow in speech and
in thought), this is often baseless. My mother is an example, she was raised mostly
overseas, but was generally based in the South during her time in America, however,
she speaks just as quickly, (if not more so) than the West Wing throng. People speaking
to her for the first time are often taken aback by the rapidity of her speech, I,
for obvious reasons, have gotten used to it. Bush, however, is another subject alltogether.
His accent isn't really what I would think of as Southern, (I think of southern accents
as existing in places like Virgina, Georgia, Alabama, the Carolinas, etc), but western
or southwestern. Personally, I think this accent is harsh, and not particularly plesant
to listen to, but I don't this it's what makes him sound stupid. I think that texans
who speak properly are perfectly capable of sounding intelligent, the perception
of Bush as stupid comes more from what he says than how he says it.
I think confusion arises for non-americans when americans discuss regional accents,
because their labels are not always logical. For example, Florida, though it is the
southern-most state, is not generally considered to be a part of "the south". I've
teased my roomate from Ohio about being from the Midwest, when actually, Ohio is
adheres to Eastern-Standard time, (a fact of which, until recently, I was unaware).
Anyway, the upshot of this post it, while West Wing-ers do speak quickly, it doesn't
sound at all abnormal to me.
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