Illogical thing about one commonwealth spelling

Spellings   Monday, May 24, 2004, 13:14 GMT
Why do Britons spell ''defense'' as ''defence'' but don't spell ''defensive'' as ''defencive''? That is really illogical.
Simon   Monday, May 24, 2004, 13:32 GMT
If you don't like it, p- off and speak Irish or Spanish...
English and its bad orthography   Monday, May 24, 2004, 14:43 GMT
English spelling is illogical and inconsistent for the most part.
paul   Monday, May 24, 2004, 16:45 GMT
"defence" was borrowed directly from french and so retains its french spelling. The Brits hold onto the original spelling because it is useful for them understand the french.
Defensive is a constructed word, using defence or defense and an english ending. It was probably introduced in America and borrowed with the American spelling back into British English.
Americans place little value on the French form of these words.
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Oliver   Monday, May 24, 2004, 16:47 GMT
Language evolves over time. It doesn't make sense outside of its historical context. It may be consistent, but it is seldom logical.
Spellings   Monday, May 24, 2004, 17:35 GMT
Well, of course there's also some illogical spellings that we all use. ''high/height'', ''sauce/sausage'' etc. What's with these?
Simon   Tuesday, May 25, 2004, 10:11 GMT
Mais non, sacre bleu. In French, it is written défense.
Damian   Tuesday, May 25, 2004, 11:48 GMT
Spellings: English is illogical which makes it even more interesting and enjoyable to speak and study..I am so glad I was born in this country which is a land of so many contradictions. I think we confuse visitors sometimes because of this LOL!

I am thinking of starting a new thread on English/British names and place names which are pronounced totally different from the way they are spelt. I love the weird names a lot of small towns and villages Wyre Piddle, Piddletrenthide, Over Wallop and Ugley. Imagine being a member of the Ugley Women's Institute! There really is one. There is a village in Cornwall which sounds like it came straight out of the wild west...Indian Queens. Or it can sound like camp guys in Bombay :-)
Jim   Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 02:12 GMT
Why do Americans spell "jewellery" as "jewelry" when they spell "jeweller" as "jeweler"?
Spellings   Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 02:28 GMT
Because ''jeweler'' is pronounced [ju:l..r] and ''jewelry'' is pronounced [ju:lri{:]. How would ''defencive'' be pronounce differently to ''defensive''?
Jim   Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 02:41 GMT
It's more logical to have "jeweller" plus the suffix "-y" than pretend it's a whole new word.
Spellings   Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 02:55 GMT
It's not pronounced [ju:l..ri[:]]. Why spell ''jewelry'' with a redundant ''e''. That's like spelling ''Wednesday'' as ''Wednesday''.
Spellings   Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 03:04 GMT
Why do we all spell ''sauce/sausage'', ''speak/speech'', and ''high/height'' in the illogical ways that they are. They're related words but are spelled as if they're not so related.
Juan   Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 04:57 GMT
I agree with Jim on this

<<It's more logical to have "jeweller" plus the suffix "-y" than pretend it's a whole new word.>>

"jewelry" "jeweler" What the?????
Spellings   Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 05:12 GMT
If you're going to say ''It's more logical to have "jeweller" plus the suffix "-y" than pretend it's a whole new word.'' then you might as well say the same thing about ''pronunciation''. You might as well say it's more logical to have ''pronounciation'' because of ''pronounce'' despite the pronunciation of the word. Americans spell ''jeweler'' and ''jewelry'' as ''jeweler'' and ''jewelry'' is because of the pronunciation. Why do we about spell ''pronounce'' as ''pronounce'' but spell ''pronunciation'' as ''pronunciation''?