Try and do something

Bob   Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 12:21 GMT
What's difference between "Try _and_ <do something>" and "Try _to_ <do something>" ?
Ant_222   Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 19:43 GMT
"Try and do something" = "Try something and, then, do it." - quite strange.
"Try to do something" = "Make an attempt to do something"

Ex.: "Try to write this sentence correctly".

Where did you find the "Try and do..." sentence? I'd like to read it in the context.

Ant_222   Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 19:51 GMT
Google gave me the following quote from the word court:
"She contends that to try and do something means to achieve the goal, and is therefore incorrect; but to try to do something doesn't predict success and is"


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Jim   Thursday, October 28, 2004, 00:00 GMT
People (especially children) often use "try and do" when they mean "try to do". Literally they mean different things as explained above but more often than not "try and do" isn't intended to be taken literally.
Bob   Thursday, October 28, 2004, 03:56 GMT
> Where did you find the "Try and do..." sentence? I'd like to read it in the context.

I cannot remember seeing it written, just heard alot from people around.
Thaks for the links.

So is this a correct sentence or not?
Jim   Thursday, October 28, 2004, 04:11 GMT
It's correct enough if that what you mean. You can try something. You can do something. If you do both, you could say "try and do something". That's the literal meaning but (usually) it would be a bit of an odd thing if that what you meant. If you actually mean "try to do something", then it wouldn't be correct because this has a different meaning. Usually when you hear "try and do" what's really meant is "try to do", so it's usually incorrect (literally speaking).
Maggie   Thursday, October 28, 2004, 07:44 GMT
Hmm, I've seen this particular collocation so many times in various books that I can't believe it's incorrect;-( I mean, come on, it's so common.
Mi5 Mick   Thursday, October 28, 2004, 07:51 GMT
You're right Maggie! "Try and ..." is simply an idiom. As an idiom it means the same as "try to ...".

Well I just read this:

Judging from his exaggerated "I was assaulted by two phrases which always make me wince.", this person got his knickers in a knot over it, probably because the emails he describes are spam. But pedants love to overanalyse the nooks and crannies of English, to find fault with popular usage.