Is /ju/ in words like "mute" one phoneme or two?

Jim Dixon   Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:07 pm GMT
/ju/? Isn't it /yu/? There's no "j" sound in "mute".
Lazar   Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:38 pm GMT
No, we're writing in X-SAMPA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-SAMPA ), which is an ASCII adaptation of the International Phonetic Alphabet ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA ). In X-SAMPA, [j] represents the y-sound.
Jim Dixon   Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:44 pm GMT
<<No, we're writing in X-SAMPA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-SAMPA ), which is an ASCII adaptation of the International Phonetic Alphabet ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA ). In X-SAMPA, [j] represents the y-sound.>>

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. It was quite confusing to me.
Jim Dixon   Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:49 pm GMT
How would the "j" sound be represented with X-SAMPA?
Lazar   Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:29 am GMT
That's represented as [dZ].
Guest   Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:32 am GMT
GOSH, I'M SO GLAD I SPEAK SPANISH AND I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL THESE STUPID RULES AND DISCUSSIONS.
Guest   Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:36 am GMT
I'm so glad I'm not an idiot like the previous poster, who can't understand rules or partake in discussions.
Rick   Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:42 am GMT
I'm so glad I don't speak Spanish. After all, it has that stupid grammatical gender.
Jim Dixon   Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:57 am GMT
Well what about "juice"? I have a "y" sound in that word so it's "jyooss" I guess in X-SAMPA [dZjus].
Lazar   Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:27 am GMT
I don't have a [j] there - I pronounce it [dZus], or "jooce" - but I have heard of that phenomenon. There was a poster here named Kirk, from California, who said that he pronounced "juice" with a [j] ( http://www.antimoon.com/forum/posts/6906-6.htm ).

Even though I don't do it in "juice", I do do it in "issue" and "tissue", which I pronounce ["ISju], ["t_hISju].
Jim Dixon   Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:47 pm GMT
<<There was a poster here named Kirk, from California, who said that he pronounced "juice" with a [j]>>

That's interesting. I'm also from California.