pronunciation of DISGUISE

What about the word "extend"? Do you pronounce it /Ik.stEnd/ or /Ik.st_hEnd/?

I'm looking for a word in which a voiceless plosive is aspirated even though it's next to /s/, like sixteen.(I asked in another thread and the majority said they pronounced it with an aspirated /t_h/)

For me it's /d@.skAez/ however /d@s.gAez/ would sound all right but, at least to me, /d@z.gAez/ sounds off.

Ever noticed, though, how "sky", "scare", "scout", etc. sound a bit like "sguy", "sgare", "sgout", etc.? Same with "spy", "spare", "spout", "sty", "stare", "stout", etc. : they sound a little like "sby", "sbare", "sbout", "sdy", "sdare", "sdout".

The /k/ in "sky" is unaspirated whereas the /k/ in "kite" is aspriated. The /g/ in "guy" is also unaspirated. /k/ and /g/ are not contrastive in initial consonant clusters when they follow /s/. The same goes for the other pairs of plosives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoneme#Neutralization.2C_archiphoneme.2C_underspecification

exit [egzIt] or [eksIt]?

[egz@t].

SO, your theory of /gz/ becoming unvoiced is obviously not true

<<SO, your theory of /gz/ becoming unvoiced is obviously not true>>

It's no one's "theory" as it's a completely tangible and verifiable phonological process. And no, for various reasons this particular phonological rule does not apply all the time.

I have ["EksIt] for <exit>, by the way.

[egz@t] for me: same as Felix but we're from the same place.

I myself have /"EgzIt/ -> ["E:g.zI?] for "exit", for the record.

<<Ever noticed, though, how "sky", "scare", "scout", etc. sound a bit like "sguy", "sgare", "sgout", etc.? Same with "spy", "spare", "spout", "sty", "stare", "stout", etc. : they sound a little like "sby", "sbare", "sbout", "sdy", "sdare", "sdout".>>

I hadn't noticed that at all. But maybe since we speak different dialects, our pronunciations differ a bit.

I wonder if it's the fact that you have to voice (I think that's the right word) the vowels immediately after the SK/SP/ST sounds (which don't usually involve the vocal cords) that causes the phenomenon you mention.

>><<Ever noticed, though, how "sky", "scare", "scout", etc. sound a bit like "sguy", "sgare", "sgout", etc.? Same with "spy", "spare", "spout", "sty", "stare", "stout", etc. : they sound a little like "sby", "sbare", "sbout", "sdy", "sdare", "sdout".>>

I hadn't noticed that at all. But maybe since we speak different dialects, our pronunciations differ a bit.

I wonder if it's the fact that you have to voice (I think that's the right word) the vowels immediately after the SK/SP/ST sounds (which don't usually involve the vocal cords) that causes the phenomenon you mention.<<

I don't think Jim's referring to voicing at all here, but rather the lack of *aspiration*, which is being *perceived* as /b/, /d/, /g/, and like, rather than as the fortis /p/, /t/, /k/, even though such is normally marked using fortis phonemes.

hej alla barn, och alla andra som inte är barn =)

Yeah, and our "today" sounds like "to die" ... it all depends on what you're used to. To us "disguise" sounds like "disguise" not "disgoiz" but this is how our ears are tuned.

Also, Travis is right. In initial clusters after /s/ unvoiced stops are unaspired making them sound similar to their voiced counterparts. Note, though, that you don't get the voiced stops in such positions so the fortis-lentis distinction sort of evaporates.

What's with all the weird signs and what not? 0_o Anyways, I would pronounce Disguise as "disc - eyes". If you know how to pronounce disc and eyes, then you can pronounce Disguise.

Weird signs: X-SAMPA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-SAMPA