How do you see those who create invariant tags such as "innit", as linguistic innovators, or as other?
Linguistic innovators
That's hardly innovation, it's just 'writing it how it sounds' and at that not very well. Innovation is supposed to be something which requires brain-power.
Tha's 'ardly innovash'n, 's just 'wri'n it 'ow it soun's' an' at that not v'ry well. Innovash'n 's s'ppos' to be summit which requires brain-po'er.
How do you like my innovation?
Tha's 'ardly innovash'n, 's just 'wri'n it 'ow it soun's' an' at that not v'ry well. Innovash'n 's s'ppos' to be summit which requires brain-po'er.
How do you like my innovation?
<<That's hardly innovation, it's just 'writing it how it sounds' and at that not very well. Innovation is supposed to be something which requires brain-power. >>
Has "isn't" always been pronounced as "innit" then?
Has "isn't" always been pronounced as "innit" then?
The mobile phone companies encouraged texting because it was a way of encouraging people to use their products, and also not to worry to much about spelling mistakes.
Sir Bernard Shaw was a linguistic innovator. He was very interested in language and spelling.
"Concerned about the vagaries of English spelling, Shaw willed a portion of his wealth (probated at £367,233 13s)[60] to fund the creation of a new phonemic alphabet for the English language."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw
Linguistic Innovators
Texting
AFAIK As far as I know
ATB All the best
BTW By the way
CID Consider it done
CUL8R Call you later
EZ Easy
H&K Hug and kiss
HHIS Hanging my head in shame
IYSS If you says so
KOTL Kiss on the lips
LOL Laughed out loud / Lots of luck
Sir Bernard Shaw was a linguistic innovator. He was very interested in language and spelling.
"Concerned about the vagaries of English spelling, Shaw willed a portion of his wealth (probated at £367,233 13s)[60] to fund the creation of a new phonemic alphabet for the English language."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw
Linguistic Innovators
Texting
AFAIK As far as I know
ATB All the best
BTW By the way
CID Consider it done
CUL8R Call you later
EZ Easy
H&K Hug and kiss
HHIS Hanging my head in shame
IYSS If you says so
KOTL Kiss on the lips
LOL Laughed out loud / Lots of luck
<<The mobile phone companies encouraged texting because it was a way of encouraging people to use their products, and also not to worry to much about spelling mistakes. >>
You've got a mistake yourself up there.
You've got a mistake yourself up there.
<<How do you see those who create invariant tags such as "innit", as linguistic innovators, or as other?>>
Who invented it, you idiot? It's just a word like all the others, so why aren't you worried about who invented the word "fuck" too? Was every word "created" from nothing by some kinds of innovators? Who created the word "fuck"? God? Then who created the word "god"? You can't even know who creates most slang, let alone who started to use a word a century ago.
Who invented it, you idiot? It's just a word like all the others, so why aren't you worried about who invented the word "fuck" too? Was every word "created" from nothing by some kinds of innovators? Who created the word "fuck"? God? Then who created the word "god"? You can't even know who creates most slang, let alone who started to use a word a century ago.
<it's just 'writing it how it sounds' >
I would say that the innovation (such as it is) lies in the invariancy, not the spelling.
<Sir Bernard Shaw was a linguistic innovator>
Was he a knight? I thought he rejected the offer.
<Dan>
You sound oddly familiar, old chap. Do we know you under another name?
("Alter Bilbaomond! Wo noch die Liebe lohnt...")
MrP
I would say that the innovation (such as it is) lies in the invariancy, not the spelling.
<Sir Bernard Shaw was a linguistic innovator>
Was he a knight? I thought he rejected the offer.
<Dan>
You sound oddly familiar, old chap. Do we know you under another name?
("Alter Bilbaomond! Wo noch die Liebe lohnt...")
MrP
Spotting mistakes:
<<The mobile phone companies encouraged texting because it was a way of encouraging people to use their products, and also not to worry to much about spelling mistakes. >>
The mobile phone companies encouraged texting because it was a way of encouraging people to use their products, and also not to worry too much about spelling mistakes.
When the possibility of a mistake was drawn to my attention, I was able to spot it. I also tried MS Word, and it also spotted the mistake.
My apologies to Mr George Bernard Shaw:
George Bernard Shaw
1856 – 1950 George Bernard Shaw – famous Irish playwright, philosopher and writer. Born on the 26th of July, 1856, in Dublin, he worked as a clerk in a real estate company, then moved to London at the age of 20. Shaw began to write early, but none of his works were accepted by publishing houses. His first essay was published only 9 years later, earning him 15 shillings. During these years, he completed 5 novels that were rejected by publishers as well. In 1884, Shaw joined Fabian Society and became one of its most brilliant speakers. During one of his frequent visits to the British Museum library, Shaw met Archer, the writer who introduced Shaw to the journalism. After working for some time as a freelance reporter, he became a musical critic in an evening newspaper; later he became a drama critic for Saturday Review. During this time, his books on Ibsen and Wagner were published, and Shaw started writing plays that earned him world fame of ‘second Shakespeare’ later. His first play was ‘The Devil’s Disciple’, written in 1897. Among his other famous plays are ‘Caesar and Cleopatra’, ‘Man and Superman’, ‘The Doctor’s Dilemma’, ‘Androcles’ and the Lion’. During the Great War, Shaw was extremely unpopular among his colleagues and audience due to his social and political views. Fame and world recognition returned to Shaw after his play ‘Saint Joan’ was published in 1924.In 1925, Shaw was awarded a Nobel Prize in literature but refused to receive it. During the 20s and the 30s, Shaw visited USA, USSR, South Africa, India and New Zealand; in Moscow he had a conversation with Stalin. When Labour Party came to power, Shaw was offered knighthood and peerage, but rejected it. Bernard Shaw died on the 2nd of November, 1950.
Агрессия - Museum cache (not exactly wikipedia)
<<The mobile phone companies encouraged texting because it was a way of encouraging people to use their products, and also not to worry to much about spelling mistakes. >>
The mobile phone companies encouraged texting because it was a way of encouraging people to use their products, and also not to worry too much about spelling mistakes.
When the possibility of a mistake was drawn to my attention, I was able to spot it. I also tried MS Word, and it also spotted the mistake.
My apologies to Mr George Bernard Shaw:
George Bernard Shaw
1856 – 1950 George Bernard Shaw – famous Irish playwright, philosopher and writer. Born on the 26th of July, 1856, in Dublin, he worked as a clerk in a real estate company, then moved to London at the age of 20. Shaw began to write early, but none of his works were accepted by publishing houses. His first essay was published only 9 years later, earning him 15 shillings. During these years, he completed 5 novels that were rejected by publishers as well. In 1884, Shaw joined Fabian Society and became one of its most brilliant speakers. During one of his frequent visits to the British Museum library, Shaw met Archer, the writer who introduced Shaw to the journalism. After working for some time as a freelance reporter, he became a musical critic in an evening newspaper; later he became a drama critic for Saturday Review. During this time, his books on Ibsen and Wagner were published, and Shaw started writing plays that earned him world fame of ‘second Shakespeare’ later. His first play was ‘The Devil’s Disciple’, written in 1897. Among his other famous plays are ‘Caesar and Cleopatra’, ‘Man and Superman’, ‘The Doctor’s Dilemma’, ‘Androcles’ and the Lion’. During the Great War, Shaw was extremely unpopular among his colleagues and audience due to his social and political views. Fame and world recognition returned to Shaw after his play ‘Saint Joan’ was published in 1924.In 1925, Shaw was awarded a Nobel Prize in literature but refused to receive it. During the 20s and the 30s, Shaw visited USA, USSR, South Africa, India and New Zealand; in Moscow he had a conversation with Stalin. When Labour Party came to power, Shaw was offered knighthood and peerage, but rejected it. Bernard Shaw died on the 2nd of November, 1950.
Агрессия - Museum cache (not exactly wikipedia)
Well, "innit" is the result of fast speech phonology. I don't see it as innovation, since it is a result of a set of natural phonological processes. How about "jeechet" for "did you eat yet"? This is also a result of fast speech phonology.
<"innit" is the result of fast speech phonology>
The significant factor is that "innit" has replaced other tags ("aren't you?", "wouldn't you?", "don't they?", etc.) in some kinds of English.
Hence the reference to "invariance".
MrP
The significant factor is that "innit" has replaced other tags ("aren't you?", "wouldn't you?", "don't they?", etc.) in some kinds of English.
Hence the reference to "invariance".
MrP
More about Mr Bernard Shaw:
After visiting the USSR in the 1930s where he met Stalin, Shaw became an ardent supporter of the Stalinist USSR. The preface to his play On the Rocks (1933) is primarily an effort to justify the pogroms conducted by the State Political Directorate (OGPU). In an open letter to the Manchester Guardian, he dismisses stories of a Soviet famine as slanderous and calls reports of its exploited workers falsehoods.[58]
This time from Wikipedia
(58) "Letters to the Editor: Social Conditions in Russia by George Bernard Shaw, published in The Manchester Guardian, 2 March 1933".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw
This is an example of the enthusiasm with which Communism was perceived by many respectable Socialists throughout the world.
The Great Famine-Genocide in Soviet Ukraine (Holodomor)
By MALCOLM MUGGERIDGE The Morning Post Wednesday, June 7, 1933
www.artukraine.com/famineart/muggeridge3.htm
After visiting the USSR in the 1930s where he met Stalin, Shaw became an ardent supporter of the Stalinist USSR. The preface to his play On the Rocks (1933) is primarily an effort to justify the pogroms conducted by the State Political Directorate (OGPU). In an open letter to the Manchester Guardian, he dismisses stories of a Soviet famine as slanderous and calls reports of its exploited workers falsehoods.[58]
This time from Wikipedia
(58) "Letters to the Editor: Social Conditions in Russia by George Bernard Shaw, published in The Manchester Guardian, 2 March 1933".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw
This is an example of the enthusiasm with which Communism was perceived by many respectable Socialists throughout the world.
The Great Famine-Genocide in Soviet Ukraine (Holodomor)
By MALCOLM MUGGERIDGE The Morning Post Wednesday, June 7, 1933
www.artukraine.com/famineart/muggeridge3.htm
I did not really understand this expression "invariant tags", which is a linguist expression. However the original question was not entirely grammatical.
"or as other? " - other what?
What is an 'invariant tag'? (eh?)
“Ah lovely stuff, eh?”1 – On invariant tag meanings and usage ...
corpus.byu.edu/aacl2008/ppt/52.ppt
"Invariant tags are tag questions that do not change form"
"called response elicitors"
The worst invariant tag which should be avoided if at all possible is
"You Know"
So following this exhaustive investigation, I conclude that invariant tags are not a linguistic innovation but rather an unpleasant and lazy, slang way of speaking.
Slang, because they appear in speech but not in writing. They have little meaning other than to fill in the gaps in the person's speech while they are thinking of something else to say. So the can be compared with grunts, groans and farts.
"or as other? " - other what?
What is an 'invariant tag'? (eh?)
“Ah lovely stuff, eh?”1 – On invariant tag meanings and usage ...
corpus.byu.edu/aacl2008/ppt/52.ppt
"Invariant tags are tag questions that do not change form"
"called response elicitors"
The worst invariant tag which should be avoided if at all possible is
"You Know"
So following this exhaustive investigation, I conclude that invariant tags are not a linguistic innovation but rather an unpleasant and lazy, slang way of speaking.
Slang, because they appear in speech but not in writing. They have little meaning other than to fill in the gaps in the person's speech while they are thinking of something else to say. So the can be compared with grunts, groans and farts.