English was spoken in England before the Roman invasion
<< Ces affirmations rejoignent en quelques sortes la théorie du Nordwestblock >>
-- D'une certaine façon, oui.
<< Belges (qui n'étaient pas celtophones tel que supposé jusqu'ici) >>
-- Ça fait longtemps qu'on sait que les Belges antiques étaient partiellement germaniques. Le Rhin, défini par Jules César comme limite entre Gaule et Germanie, était une frontière arbitraire ne correspondant pas à une délimitation d'aires linguistiques.
Si on se fie à la frontière linguistique actuelle de la Belgique entre Flamands et Wallons, frontière linguistique qu'on dit habituellement très peu variable au cours des siècles peu importe l'endroit dans le monde, tout ceci devient de plus en plus crédible. La Belgique étant donné sa proximité avec l'Angleterre, n'aurait été qu'un port d'embarcation pour traverser la Manche pour ces ancêtres des Flamands que nous connaissons aujourd'hui.
"England has always been truly English, and English is and always has been truly Germanic."
No, England is as Brythonic-Celtic as the rest of the island.
And we all know that English is anything but "truly" Germanic.
<<No, England is as Brythonic-Celtic as the rest of the island.
And we all know that English is anything but "truly" Germanic. >>
Hrmmmm, English is germanic. And England is a Germanic nation.
You sound as if you have a serious problem with that fact. No?
<<No, England is as Brythonic-Celtic as the rest of the island.
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Southwestern Scotland was Goidelic and not Brythonic, so how could England be as "Brythonic-Celtic" (as opposed to 'Goidelic-Celtic') "as the rest of the island"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictish
<<No, England is as Brythonic-Celtic as the rest of the island.
And we all know that English is anything but "truly" Germanic. >>
England is Germanic,Scotland is Celtic with strong Germanic influence ( English,Scandinavian and Flemish),Ireland is Celtic with Germanic influence too (English and Scandinavian).
@ rep,
There seems there are some who desire to undermine the germanocity of England, English genealogy, and the English language. I don't know why. Jealousy certainly could not be a logical reason.
These dreamers envision English to be a misnamed Briton and go so far as to say that English is a special-case German language or that it has Brythonic elements. Pure Shite.
What could possibly be gained if English was Celtic and the English were Celtic? Nada. No sweat off my balls :|)
<<germanocity... >>
yes. germanocity
" And we all know that English is anything but "truly" Germanic "
really, that not what people here thinks... and that's not what the realilty of England shows us, linguistically or culturally.
I would call Northern Germany and Scandinavia as truly and purely germanic, but not England where the germanic tribes are one more layer of the English population make up.
<<I would call Northern Germany and Scandinavia as truly and purely germanic, but not England where the germanic tribes are one more layer of the English population make up. >>
But this could be said of Scandinavia too, where a Neolithic under-peopling of Finno-Ugric (later Saami) origin dwelt. Modern Scandinavians are the mixture between these two, as can be seen in the high cheekbones, bone-straight hair and almond shaped eyen of many Scandinavians today.
Per your definition, then much of S Germany, Switzerland and Austria, and Belgium are not "Germanic".
If we do what the Romance leod have done, which is define their association by language and culture alone, then England is firmly and unequivocally Germanic. Moreso than Germany itself! LOL
Culturally speaking the Germanics have their origin in Southern Scandinavia and Northern Germany, that's undeniable. Maybe they spoke a Finno-Ugric language before the IE peoples arrived to there , but that does not invaildate the fact that proto-Germanic appeared in this zone due to the adoption of IE language by the ancestors of the Germanics. If you associate Germanic with genetics and not language, then England is 0% Germanic, because they don't have Finno-Ugric ancestors nor the genes associated to the peoples of Kurgan (original IE speakers). The English are as Germanic as the Peruvians are Latin.