French analysis in Asia

Wang Hai Jun   Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:24 pm GMT
First of all, i am Chinese.

French faces the extinction in Asia. Let's take a look:
in China,Japanese or Korean are the most popular second foreign language(English remains first one), So, surely French is unpopular in China.
So, I don't know why there are so many francophones here insisting to claim their past history of glory...

So, we need truth, not the lie, OK?
Guest User   Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:21 am GMT
China: English and Japanese

Japan: English and Spanish

South Korea: English and Japanese


Anyway, French is not extinct but it is not very studied.

In East Asia, there are two important Asian languages, Chinese and Japanese, and two Western ones, English and Spanish.

Four important languages is too much for French...



PD. In South Korea is 5th, after English, Japanese, Chinese and Spanish.
Jang Wai Hun   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:00 am GMT
You are not Chinese, but Hispanic. Your nick "Wang Hai Jun" is not Chinese because there is no "Wang" but "Huang".

Dear webmaster, this Hispanic fanatic try to disguise as Chinese Francophobe and posting non-sense and baseless information to deceive the people of this forum. Please ban his IP!
+Fr+ vs -Sp-   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:10 am GMT
French as a foreign language is the second most frequently taught language in the world after English. IN CHINA HAS ALSO BECOME THE SECOND MOST DEMANDED FOREIGN LANGUAGE. French is considered to be the language of diplomacy and culture due to its glorious past and its rich culture. France is the world's major tourist destination (75 million tourists a year). France is the most visited destination in the world. Paris is considered one of the "global cities".

http://nelanguage.com/french.html

Chine: Les Chances du Francais (The Fortunes of the French Language in China).

Examines the current situation in China surrounding the teaching of French as a Foreign Language. After the decline of French teaching subsequent to the Cultural Revolution, the language returned to favor around 1970. Chinese students are infatuated with French; many study it as a first or second foreign language. Additionally, French literature has enormous prestige in China. (CK)

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ518148&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=EJ518148

delectric Diglot
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China

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Speaks: English*, Mandarin
Studies: German


Every English major student in China must eventually take a second language after English. It seems that French is the most popular language, then Japanese and lastly Russian.

http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1220&PN=1&TPN=2

Top 6 Most Popular Foreign Language Teachers in China

Japanese Teacher
There is a growing number of Chinese people learning Japanese, the main reasons are, first, Japanese culture is welcome in China; second, Japanese is regarded as an useful language in business and society contact; the third reason is due to Chinese neighbourhood in geography with Japan. We may learn from the above that Chinese people learning Japanese is mainly because of the benefit in business. And you must be very popular too in China schools if you are a foreign teacher teaching Japanese.

Korean Teacher
There has been a hot period of recent two years of Chinese people’s Korean training, dates from 2004 when it was difficult to get the visa to Japan for study, many people change their studying abroad destination from Japan to Korea whose aspects are quite like Japan’s; the second reason is larger number of Korean investment enterprises’ flooding in China, causing the scarcity of Korean talents, as a result, Korean teachers may surely enjoy a big market in China.

French Teacher
French is a very romantic language, but this is not the reason it is called “ the language of love”. In linguistics, “romance”, “romantic” and “love” have no relationship. French is Latin, and it has many things in common with English, even some of the same word spelling with its only difference in their pronunciation. French is always regarded as the most melodious language in the world, it is the official lauguage of France, Canada, Belgium and Swiss, etc. The major French learners are young students and white-collar workers for their interest and working and studying abroad needs and you are sure to be in good grace in the students if you are a French teacher in China.

German Teacher
German is the Germanic branch of Indo-European, enjoying 120,000,000 speakers in the world. It is the official language of Germany, Auatria and Swiss as the key language of EU and new East-Europe economics. The Chinese people are learning German out of their needs on jobs though they often communicate with their German colleagues in English, but it may shorten their distances between them when they communicate in German. You may feel happy for this if you are a German teacher, right?

Spanish Teacher
Spanish is one of the 6 major working languages in UN, also the official language of 20 Latin America countries and regions including Spain, Argentina and Morocco, etc. You have to spend almost one year to teach a Chinese Spanish beginner to the basic communication in Spanish. Currently, most Spanish learners are learning out of studying abroad and working needs.

Italian Teacher
Italian is quite similar to Spanish, it is one of the Latin of Indo-European. Chinese are learning Italian out of the needs of economics and trade and work, other reasons are that some of them have to catch up the language for travelling. You will be congratulated if you are an Italian teacher, as you may surely earn so much money in China.

http://top.at0086.com/China-Job-Center/Top-6-Most-Popular-Foreign-Language-Teachers-in-China.html
+Fr+ vs -Sp-   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:12 am GMT
Vietnam :
A French-speaking elite

While Vietnam’s elite speaks French, its civil servants and business community adopted English in 1994, the year of the country’s incorporation in ASEAN1. Once the main language, French has now become a second foreign language. Although French is still widely taught, it is being caught up by Mandarin, Japanese and even German, and its popularity is waning. 400,000 Vietnamese currently speak French but they represent an essentially ageing population. The younger generation of Vietnamese, for its part, is turning to English-language cultures.

Some 100,000 pupils at all levels, i.e. 4.5% of the total, are learning French. At the beginning of the eighties, they were 10 times more. While the importance of French is diminishing in secondary schools, its status is more stable at the level of higher education. In 1992, the Aupelf-Uref2 and the Vietnamese Ministry of Education set up more than 500 bilingual classes, enabling 14,500 young children to learn French. The aim is to arrive, by 2006, at a proportion of 10% of students graduating from secondary school with French as their main language. Doctors, chemists, engineers, senior civil servants, lawyers and journalists all communicate in French. A number of newspapers such as Saigon Eco, Courrier du Vietnam... are published in French and every day Vietnamese TV broadcasts a news bulletin in French. It would seem, then, that while a French-speaking elite is establishing itself, the attitude of the Vietnamese towards French is still conditioned by the French-speaking companies locating in the region.

At the Hanoi Summit, six major French-language projects for cultural cooperation were launched in the Vietnamese capital, including the National Museum of Ethnography, a French and French-language bookshop and a 900 seat cinema dedicated to the screening of French and French-language films in the original version.
Eric de Lavarène
Journalist with Asie Magazine

1. The Association of South-East Asian Nations was founded in 1967 to promote regional economic cooperation. There are nine member countries: Burma, Brunei, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam.
2. Association of universities based partially or entirely on the French language.



Laos :
A successful cohabitation?

Between 1975 and 1989, Laos withdrew into seclusion. During those years, French was able to maintain its influence, despite the clear losses in popularity in Cambodia and Vietnam. The resumption of French, Swiss and Canadian cooperation in early 1990 provided a strong boost to the teaching of French at Vientiane (where the French Cultural Centre is located) as well as in the more accessible provinces.

Today, some 240,000 people are learning French (35% of students and pupils) and the setting-up of bilingual classes at the primary level is currently under review. Most of the senior civil servants are French-speaking and the Laotian population remains favourably disposed towards French. While the north of the country is entirely under the influence of Chinese, the centre and south are divided between French and English. French is the language of choice for medicine, law and administration while English predominates in trade and finance
E. de L.



French in Japan :
The cultural appeal

In August 1996, Japan played host for the very first time to the World Congress of French Teachers and, although Japan is not a French-speaking country, it is particularly fond of all things French. This attraction to the French culture and language is reflected in the record annual figure of 400 French or French-language cultural events. While the general public in Japan is interested more in the French way of life, it is France’s civilisation and culture that appeals to intellectuals disenchanted by the materialism of the « economic miracle ».

As the language of literature and the land of the Rights of Man, French and France also represent a career springboard to Europe and to such industries as fashion, the arts and the hotel and catering trade for the young generations of Japanese. This is reflected in their growing interest in the international departments of French schools of commerce and the fact that some 5,000 Japanese travel to France each year to enrol in language courses.

In Japan itself, which has four Alliances and French Cultural Centres, 279,000 people study French, 90% of them students. 600 of the 1,000 university education establishments, including 13 private universities, provide French language tuition, and the Japanese Society for the French Language and Literature has some 2,000 teachers on its roster. French is therefore a language that is still widely studied, despite the competition from English and the Asian languages. To help boost the spread of French, young teachers are now relying on a restructuring of the French syllabus, with more references to the rest of the French-speaking world, and on the impetus provided by the Tokyo Congress and its slogan « Tracing the future, cultivating the difference ».
Emmanuelle Pavillon



Indonesia :
A French-language community in its infancy

With 45,000 people learning French at all levels, i.e. only 0.11% of the total population attending school, Indonesia has one of Asia’s lowest rates for learning French. This situation is likely to deteriorate even further due to the reform of secondary education which, since 1996, has made learning foreign languages optional in secondary schools. At university level, Indonesia has four French departments and fourteen state or private universities offering French as an option. French is also taught in state schools specialising in tourism and in hotel and catering. As for the Alliances françaises, there are eleven of them and they attract some 1,500 students a year. However, they are up against fierce competition from the four French Cultural Centres (Jakarta, Bandung, Yogyakarta and Surabaya), which have acquired a high profile following their educational and teacher training activities. In 1996, 6,500 students attended courses organised by the CCF.
Tirthankar Chanda
Journalist



Cambodia :
French rapidly losing ground

Of the 13,000 students enrolled at Phnom Penh universities in 1997, more than half, i.e. 7,000, are learning French. Financed by the Cultural Centre or the Aupelf-Uref, the courses are provided by 25 French-speaking lecturers, whose work also involves handing over the relay to Khmer professors. The secondary level has 200,000 pupils learning French. Up until 1975, French was the first foreign language taught in the kingdom; by the end of the eighties, it had totally disappeared. With the opening, in 1990, of the Alliance française* and the implementation of cooperation ventures with various establishments, the teaching of French was given a new lease on life, even if it is still outpaced by English and Chinese. Each year, several dozen students are sent to France to pursue their studies.

France is also present in the tourist sector, where courses have been set up at Phnom Penh University and at the Royal Administration School, which holds seminars in French. For its part, the Cultural Centre attracts some 6,000 Cambodian students and trainee teachers and is also present at Siemreap, Kompong Cham and Sihanoukville. The French-language media are relatively well established in Phnom Penh, with programmes broadcast on the national TV channel, a daily newspaper Cambodge soir and a monthly magazine Cambodge nouveau. RFI and TV5 are also picked up in Cambodia. Most of the country’s elite, in particular lawyers, artists, academics and doctors, speak French.
E. de L.

* The Alliance française became the French Cultural Centre in 1994.



South Korea :
Unexpectedly pro-French

Korea is Asia’s leading French-speaking country after Vietnam, based on the number of people learning and teaching French. It has six Alliances françaises and one French cultural centre. 320,000 pupils and 22,000 students are currently learning French in Korean schools and universities, making it the second language studied at university level, ahead of German and Japanese and second only to English. However, the overall trend is downward and French departments at universities have lost almost a quarter of their student numbers since the eighties. Moreover, they continue to attract a student population essentially with a literary bias and predominantly female. It confirms once again the image of France as the « country of the arts and the aesthetic », all too often to the detriment of its technical and scientific achievements.
Stéphane Lagarde
Seoul-based journalist



The French-language community in Thailand :
an anti-model?

For a long time French monopolised the « market » for the second foreign languages on offer to young Thais (English being the first language and compulsory); today, French is having to compete with Chinese, Japanese and German. Hence the change in balance: with around 45,000 individuals learning French for a population of 12 millions pupils and students, French is now less present in Thailand than it was in the seventies. Nonetheless, it remains the leading second language taught and benefits from a firm stronghold within Thailand’s education system: some 300 secondary schools and fifteen private and state-run universities ensure the teaching of French.

In fact, a large number of the country’s key figures, decision-makers and researchers are French-speakers, particularly in such fields as law, public administration, the humanities as well as in some unexpected sectors of activity such as the National Space Agency or the General Directorate for the Post Office and Communications.

This enthusiasm for the French language and culture is due notably to the pro-French attitude of the country’s elite, influenced by that of the royal family, and also by the strong cultural image of the French lifestyle, an image of France that is popular among young people. For others, the success of French is due paradoxically to its image as a minority language within a regional complex marked by the predominance of English and the rise in strength of Chinese and Japanese. French and the system of values it evokes seems to constitute a sort of anti-model. For example in the current debates on constitutional reform, French law is clearly perceived as an alternative model to Anglo-Saxon law. A favourable trend to which the growing presence of French companies also contributes, not to mention the after-effects of events that have proved very popular in the country, such as the France 96 Technology Exhibition.
Gilles Louÿs
Office for Linguistic and Educational Cooperation, Bangkok



French in Singapore :
A promising future

Singapore’s multi-ethnic society has four official languages: Malay - the national language -, Mandarin, Tamil and English, the language used in administration, business and education. Unlike the situation with English and what is referred to as a « mother » tongue (specific to the ethnic group), learning a third language is not compulsory for young Singaporians (there are only one thousand pupils in secondary education). At university level, French is taught at all the establishments on the island. Some 1,000 students have enrolled French as an option at the four « Polytechnics » (equivalent to the University Institutes of Technology or IUT in France) and around 600 at the two universities.

Outside Singapore’s education system, there are two institutes worth mentioning. Firstly, United College, a private institute that recruits its pupils from the expatriate community and offers French courses to more than 800 pupils. And, more importantly, the Alliance française, undoubtedly the essential tool for teaching the language of Molière in Singapore. The Alliance offers training courses in all disciplines and attracts around 1,300 pupils to each two-month session. It is now considered a key cultural partner and is regularly contacted by the local authorities in order to participate in events as important as the International Film Festival or the International Arts Festival, which set the standard throughout Asia.

The Asian-European Foundation (ASEF), founded as part of the Euro-Asian Summit of 1996, is run jointly by a Singaporian and a Frenchman. Based in Singapore, this institution will undoubtedly contribute towards establishing French permanently in the region by setting up a political and economic partnership much sought after by both countries.
Roger Brunet
Official representative at the Alliance française



French in India :
A privileged status

The French language owes its presence in India to both a network of Alliances françaises (15 offices) and a solid basis for the language itself in secondary schools, where French is the first foreign language to be studied by pupils. The total number of individuals learning French is around 300,000 for 3,000 teachers. At higher education level, French is compulsory in vocational schools dedicated to tourism and to hotel catering. It is also taught at 40 universities, of which 12 have a department for French studies. These departments are often very dynamic as demonstrated by the decision of the University of Pondicherry to organise a major international colloquium in December, 1998 on the French-language literatures of Africa. The reason why French enjoys a privileged status in India is probably due to the successful decolonisation, in the fifties, of the five trading counters which France had owned in India since the 17th century. The best known of these counters is Pondicherry, which Nehru wanted to turn into « an open window on French culture ».
T.C.



China :
Awakening to the French-speaking world

While three million Chinese viewers are said to regularly watch the « Bienvenue en France » programmes broadcast by the central television, French as a language is well and truly absent in China, where it is studied by only 12,000 people, including 500 secondary school pupils. It comes only fifth in the rankings of foreign languages taught and is essentially a university subject. In cooperation with the cultural services of the French embassy, the French departments at Beijing and Canton universities have set up graduate courses with a twin bias in international trade, business, management and tourism, with the subjects taught in both languages. The French-speaking companies present in China are then the natural outlets for graduates of these courses.

The situation of French is better in Hong Kong, where 2,810 pupils learn French at primary school level, 1,930 at secondary level and around 900 at university. While French may be losing ground at the secondary level due to the emergence of Mandarin, there is a strong demand from the university specialties in which foreign languages are linked to company management, accounting and business in general. Finally, the Alliance française in Hong Kong attracts more than 5,000 students each year.

http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/france_159/label-france_2554/label-france-issues_2555/label-france-no.-30_4398/feature-francophonie-in-asia_4517/tour-of-asia-french-speaking-countries_7349.html
+Fr+ vs -Sp-   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:14 am GMT
Top foreign languages learnt in China
Sep 12th, 2009 | By Cindy | Category: English

[汉语]


As indicated from the World Language Map, Chinese is spoken by the most people in the world, but with the rapid economic development in recent years, Chinese people are enthusiastic about learning foreign languages. Here listed are the top foreign languages learnt in China.

1. English
Of course, it is English! English learning is in full swing with every school opening English classes from Monday to Friday and English training centers in all big cities available for learners at all standards from beginners to advanced levels. English learning funding is a big part of the education expenditure for many families and even so, many people are still struggling to try and speak fluent English.

2. Japanese and Korean
There are many reasons why Japanese and Korean are learnt by Chinese people. The main reason is that Japanese and Korean languages are regarded as useful languages in business, especially since many Japanese and Korean enterprises are flooding the Chinese market at the moment. Second is that Japanese and Korean are similar to Chinese. It is said that 2000 Chinese characters are commonly used in Japanese and half of all Korean pronunciations are analogous to their Chinese counterparts. The third reason is due to the geographical location of these two countries. Therefore their cultures are warmly welcomed in China.

3. French and German
Just as France is the most romantic country in the world, French is considered as the most melodious language by many Chinese people. The major French learners are college students and white-collar workers due to their interest in the diversified French culture or their working or overseas study demands.

Unlike French, many Chinese people communicate with their German colleagues in English but they learn German out of the need for job promotion as it may improve their chances once they start talking in the difficult German language. Also many young people learn German because they want to pursue a degree or study further in Germany.

ALTHOUGH SPANISH AND PORTUGUESE ARE WIDELY SPOKEN IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD, ONLY A FEW PEOPLE IN CHINA TRY TO LEARN THEM. But with flourished commerce and business communication between China and South America, the two languages are sure to be learnt by more and more people.

http://www.lexiophiles.com/english/top-foreign-languages-learnt-in-china
Francophone   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:26 am GMT
First, Jang Wai Hun is really CHINESE, at least I so sure and I don't say I think so.


Second, you use different usernames. Colette, for example, was a pro-German person but you used it too like JLK and now Terrence.


PS. No one in the World (Hispanics, Chinese, Japanese, Americans, Brazilians, Europeans, etc) think that your language is global, not only Francophones.
Francophone   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:35 am GMT
First, we DON'T say that French is number 1 in Asia, because it is English.

On the other hand, some Hispanic french haters say that French is not really studied there when Spanish is totally unknown there.

Only English and french, as Western language, is really studied in East Asia.


Second, as we read in other post, the situation of foreign languages in East Asia is the next:


China: English and French

Japan: English, German, and French

South Korea: English, Japanese, and French


PS. Spanish are really studied in East Asia. Their claim that Spanish is second to English in Japan is a totally child like lie.

We don't say that our language trails Chinese, Hindi, and English in number of native speakers, because it is not. Our language is important in 5 continents: North America, Europe and North and South America, Oceania and even Antarctica. We always say that.

Some of you say that your language (Spanish) is second in the number of native speakers, and it is NOT true (it is next fourth after Chinese, Hindi, and English). Soon Arabic will overtake it that it will slip to fifth place.
Wang Hai Jun   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:35 am GMT
"Jang Wai Hun Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:00 am GMT
You are not Chinese, but Hispanic. Your nick "Wang Hai Jun" is not Chinese because there is no "Wang" but "Huang"."

Wang is 王 and Huang is 黄.
This is the common sense for Chinese.. So, you are not Chinese but fucking French fanatics!
433333   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:38 am GMT
Top foreign languages learnt in China

http://www.lexiophiles.com/english/top-foreign-languages-learnt-in-china


As indicated from the World Language Map, Chinese is spoken by the most people in the world, but with the rapid economic development in recent years, Chinese people are enthusiastic about learning foreign languages. Here listed are the top foreign languages learnt in China.

1. English
Of course, it is English! English learning is in full swing with every school opening English classes from Monday to Friday and English training centers in all big cities available for learners at all standards from beginners to advanced levels. English learning funding is a big part of the education expenditure for many families and even so, many people are still struggling to try and speak fluent English.

2. Japanese and Korean
There are many reasons why Japanese and Korean are learnt by Chinese people. The main reason is that Japanese and Korean languages are regarded as useful languages in business, especially since many Japanese and Korean enterprises are flooding the Chinese market at the moment. Second is that Japanese and Korean are similar to Chinese. It is said that 2000 Chinese characters are commonly used in Japanese and half of all Korean pronunciations are analogous to their Chinese counterparts. The third reason is due to the geographical location of these two countries. Therefore their cultures are warmly welcomed in China.


Number one and two are English ,Korean and Japanese.
Sorry for hispanics and that fucking French fanatics!
344444   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:43 am GMT
French as a foreign language is the second most frequently taught language in the world after English. IN CHINA HAS ALSO BECOME THE SECOND MOST DEMANDED FOREIGN LANGUAGE. French is considered to be the language of diplomacy and culture due to its glorious past and its rich culture. France is the world's major tourist destination (75 million tourists a year). France is the most visited destination in the world. Paris is considered one of the "global cities".

http://nelanguage.com/french.html

Chine: Les Chances du Francais (The Fortunes of the French Language in China).

Examines the current situation in China surrounding the teaching of French as a Foreign Language. After the decline of French teaching subsequent to the Cultural Revolution, the language returned to favor around 1970. Chinese students are infatuated with French; many study it as a first or second foreign language. Additionally, French literature has enormous prestige in China. (CK)

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ518148&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=EJ518148

delectric Diglot
Senior Member

China

Joined 1735 days ago

502 posts - 6 votes

Speaks: English*, Mandarin
Studies: German


Every English major student in China must eventually take a second language after English. It seems that French is the most popular language, then Japanese and lastly Russian.

http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1220&PN=1&TPN=2

Number one and two are English and French.
Sorry for that Stinking and rotting shit Hispanic fanatic!
Francophone   Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:58 am GMT
Dear Jang Wai Hun,

We all know that Spanish is not a well studied language in China.

I don't care, like all the Francophones, because French is strong and very studied in most countries, like for example USA.

But Guest or Guest333 and other Hispanic fanatics will say that you are a radical Francophone and he will attack you and French language all day.



<<What are Spanish or French TV programs or movies attractive to we Chinese?>>


Well, I don't care about Spanish, but my language is the second in all over the world and many French language movies or cinema from USA, Canada, France or Francophone Africa are very famous in some countries.

Not only that, Francophone and French music are also very famous like Patrick Bruel, Zachary Richard, Madonna, Celine Dion, Lara Fabian or even the Cajun, Rocky McKeon, for instance.

The same with some American, Francophone African, French, Belgian, Canadian, or Swiss films with some important actors and directors like Philippe Falardeau, Paul Grimault, Luc Dardenne, James Caviezel, David Arquette, Matt Leblanc, Angelina Joli, Catherine Deneuve, Issa Serge Coelo or Rossana Arquette

Finally, French Ligue is one of the most important football leagues in the World.
Franco   Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:35 am GMT
Celine Dion sings in English, at least her most famous songs are in English. She sings in French when she is when her family in Christmas only.