Portuñol

am   Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:56 am GMT
What is portuñol?, what is his future?

Thank
Harman   Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:14 pm GMT
A mix between spanish and brazilian portuguese. They are used at border counties.

I think it has no future the same as spanglish.
KK   Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:49 pm GMT
But if all Spanish and Portuguese countries learn Potunol it will become one of the most important language in the world because so many people will speak and understand it?
Franco   Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:24 pm GMT
I have another idea: the Portuguese speakers learn proper Spanish.
KK   Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:33 pm GMT
That won't happen. The Portuguese speakers would never give up their language for Spanish. But if both languages agree to learn a little bit of each other's language you will have a very powerful lanugage... Portunol
Franco   Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:37 pm GMT
Well, Spanish is already compulsory in Brazilian schools. That's a good first step.
IsNotTrue   Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:53 pm GMT
Spanish isnt compulsory in Brazil.
English is compulsory at least until 2 or 3 years before high school.
We can choose between english, spanish and french to enter in high school.
Colette   Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:07 pm GMT
Update on Spanish becoming compulsory in Brazilian high schools starting this coming year

Here's a quick update in Portuguese on Brazil's implementation of a law that requires all high schools to teach Spanish this coming year. The idea is a good one as Brazilians already have a fantastic passive understanding of Spanish, and it doesn't take much work to turn it into a very valuable skill. It may seem a bit odd to some to have people learning a language so similar to their mother tongue, but there really is a big difference between simply passively understanding a language and using it correctly. I have a fairly good passive understanding of Romanian for example, but can't even properly write or speak a single sentence in the language.

Here's most of the article.

The president of the National Council of Secretaries of Education, Yvelise Freitas de Souza Arco-Verde, said this Friday that the compulsory teaching of Spanish in high schools will enable an amplification of the cultural aspects of the students and would promote cultural integration among the peoples of Latin America.

According to Law 11.161/2005, the public school system is required to implement the teaching of Spanish in all high schools beginning the coming year.

Quote: "We have 11 states that border on Spanish-speaking countries, and this integration will facilitate a better relationship with them."

According to the president of the organization, some states are doing a better job carrying out the law than others. She pointed out that the support of the Ministry of Education is needed for teacher training and the creation of textbooks aimed at teaching the Spanish language.
BrasileiroDaGema   Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:32 pm GMT
<<English is compulsory at least until 2 or 3 years before high school. >>

English is compulsory until university.

http://educacao.ig.com.br/us/2009/11/14/espanhol+obrigatorio+nas+escolas+esta+longe+de+se+tornar+realidade+9088957.html

"Em São Paulo, a situação é pior do que a nacional. Só 0,2% dos alunos da rede estadual estudam em escolas onde há espanhol. A Secretaria Estadual de Educação afirma que a língua é ensinada em 84 centros de idioma para 42 mil estudantes. Mas, mesmo se todos eles forem do ensino médio, representariam só 3% do alunado."

In Sao Paulo, the situation is worse than the national. Only 0.2% of school students studying in state schools where there are Spanish. The State Department of Education says that the language is taught in 84 language centers to 42 thousand students. But even if all of them are high school, represent only 3% of the students.
Portuñol   Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:19 pm GMT
Portuñol is a very important idiom actually.
Is spoke in the north of portugal.
To be exact,in a spanish province called galicia.
Pelotudo   Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:23 pm GMT
It is impossible for a Portuguese speaker to learn proper Spanish, hence if all Brazilians learn Spanish, that means they will end up speaking Portuñol.
JJ   Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:36 pm GMT
I know of someone from Columbia speaking Spanish to someone from Mozambique (whose language is Portuguese) and they understand each other without having to speak English.

So why can't you all make one big language?
Paul   Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:38 pm GMT
<<It is impossible for a Portuguese speaker to learn proper Spanish>>

It's just rare, not impossible. Paulo Coelho speaks good spanish.
JJ   Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:42 pm GMT
Can Spanish people become fluent in Portuguese?
Franco   Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:46 pm GMT
No, Spanish is too simple phonetically in comparison to Portuguese, so a Spanish speaker will never be fluent in Portuguese whereas Portuguese speakers can learn good Spanish in few months.