For me they're:
whirl - /w3`l]
girl - /g3`l]
rural - [r3`@l]
whirl - /w3`l]
girl - /g3`l]
rural - [r3`@l]
Do you distinguish in pronunciation between?
"whirl", "girl", and "rural" do not all rhyme for me, as they are:
"whirl" : /w@`l/ -> [w3`5]
"girl" : /g@`l/ -> [g3`5]
"rural" : /r@`l=/ -> [r\3`5=]
"whirl" : /w@`l/ -> [w3`5]
"girl" : /g@`l/ -> [g3`5]
"rural" : /r@`l=/ -> [r\3`5=]
Travis, you don't give a vocalic /5/ (so [5=]) to "whirl" and "girl?" That's interesting. I pronounce "whirl" 'girl" and "rural" as rhyming, and all have [5=].
Kirk, I don't appear to normally have /l=/ ([5=]) in them unless I pronounce them quite slowly. This is like "tour" in my dialect, which doesn't use [@`] when pronounced at a normal rate, even though that may show up if it is pronounced rather slowly here.
Do you distinguish in pronunciation between:
Y - ''cot'' and ''caught''
N - ''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry''
Y - ''card'' and ''cord''
N - ''pour'' and ''poor''
N - ''wine'' and ''whine''
N - ''horse'' and ''hoarse''
N - The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror''
N - The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry''
N - ''lock'' and ''loch''
Y - ''pull'' and ''pool''
N - ''tune'' and ''toon''
N - ''do'' and ''dew''
N - ''loot'' and ''lute''
N - ''rood'' and ''rude''
N - The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad''
N - The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother''
And where are you from? California
Y - ''cot'' and ''caught''
N - ''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry''
Y - ''card'' and ''cord''
N - ''pour'' and ''poor''
N - ''wine'' and ''whine''
N - ''horse'' and ''hoarse''
N - The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror''
N - The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry''
N - ''lock'' and ''loch''
Y - ''pull'' and ''pool''
N - ''tune'' and ''toon''
N - ''do'' and ''dew''
N - ''loot'' and ''lute''
N - ''rood'' and ''rude''
N - The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad''
N - The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother''
And where are you from? California
thanks guys for your answers. how about the word "mature"? i pronounce it /m@tS"U@`/. for those of you who merge /U@`/ and /3`/ would it be pronounced /m@tS"3`/?
canaws,
That's interesting that you distinction between ''cot'' and ''caught'', because I thought all Californians pronounced them the same way. Isn't that true?
That's interesting that you distinction between ''cot'' and ''caught'', because I thought all Californians pronounced them the same way. Isn't that true?
<<canaws,
That's interesting that you distinction between ''cot'' and ''caught'', because I thought all Californians pronounced them the same way. Isn't that true?>>
By the numbers research has shown the vast majority of Californians are "cot-caught" merged but there may be even some native Californians like Canaws who aren't merged. It's common thruout the US that even in areas and regions usually known to be merged or non-merged, little pockets and individual differences may occasionally exist contrary to what'd you expect.
In California, apparently traditionally the city of San Francisco has been the exception to the "cot-caught" merged rule. However, I know several people who are San Francisco natives and they are "cot-caught" merged but I did have a professor last year who was a San Francisco native and he definitely was not a "c-c" merger--his /A/ and /O/ were clearly distinct to that point that he sounded like he was from an East Coast non-merged dialect to me. This makes sense because San Francisco (at least Old San Francisco) was settled by a large base of people from the East Coast. He said he was a third generation San Franciscan, which fits perfectly into that historical explanation. He is Old San Francisco, so it makes sense his speech would conform that way.
I don't know if Canaws is from San Francisco, but even if he's a California native he may have one or both parents that were from non "c-c" merged areas. Or, he may be from the (SF) Bay Area, which is usually "c-c" merged (my parents and many relatives on both sides are San José natives and they're all unquestionably "c-c" merged, and I grew up an hour east of the Bay Area and am "c-c" merged, and everyone I've ever known from the Bay Area, which is a lot, are "c-c" merged as well) but with the influence of San Francisco (at least traditional San Francisco) speech I don't see it being implausible that its influence could be seen in at least a few Bay Area speakers, even in a sea of "c-c" merged speech.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what Canaws says.
<<thanks guys for your answers. how about the word "mature"? i pronounce it /m@tS"U@`/. for those of you who merge /U@`/ and /3`/ would it be pronounced /m@tS"3`/>>
You guessed right (except you got the stress mark off just a bit). I pronounce it like SpaceFlight, as [m@"tS3`].
That's interesting that you distinction between ''cot'' and ''caught'', because I thought all Californians pronounced them the same way. Isn't that true?>>
By the numbers research has shown the vast majority of Californians are "cot-caught" merged but there may be even some native Californians like Canaws who aren't merged. It's common thruout the US that even in areas and regions usually known to be merged or non-merged, little pockets and individual differences may occasionally exist contrary to what'd you expect.
In California, apparently traditionally the city of San Francisco has been the exception to the "cot-caught" merged rule. However, I know several people who are San Francisco natives and they are "cot-caught" merged but I did have a professor last year who was a San Francisco native and he definitely was not a "c-c" merger--his /A/ and /O/ were clearly distinct to that point that he sounded like he was from an East Coast non-merged dialect to me. This makes sense because San Francisco (at least Old San Francisco) was settled by a large base of people from the East Coast. He said he was a third generation San Franciscan, which fits perfectly into that historical explanation. He is Old San Francisco, so it makes sense his speech would conform that way.
I don't know if Canaws is from San Francisco, but even if he's a California native he may have one or both parents that were from non "c-c" merged areas. Or, he may be from the (SF) Bay Area, which is usually "c-c" merged (my parents and many relatives on both sides are San José natives and they're all unquestionably "c-c" merged, and I grew up an hour east of the Bay Area and am "c-c" merged, and everyone I've ever known from the Bay Area, which is a lot, are "c-c" merged as well) but with the influence of San Francisco (at least traditional San Francisco) speech I don't see it being implausible that its influence could be seen in at least a few Bay Area speakers, even in a sea of "c-c" merged speech.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what Canaws says.
<<thanks guys for your answers. how about the word "mature"? i pronounce it /m@tS"U@`/. for those of you who merge /U@`/ and /3`/ would it be pronounced /m@tS"3`/>>
You guessed right (except you got the stress mark off just a bit). I pronounce it like SpaceFlight, as [m@"tS3`].
Oh we've done this a million times before but here goes again:
Do you distinguish in pronunciation between:
Y - ''cot'' and ''caught''
Y - ''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry''
Y - ''card'' and ''cord''
N - ''pour'' and ''poor''
N - ''wine'' and ''whine''
N - ''horse'' and ''hoarse''
Y - The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror''
Y - The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry''
N - ''lock'' and ''loch''
Y - ''pull'' and ''pool''
Y - ''tune'' and ''toon''
Y - ''do'' and ''dew''
N - ''loot'' and ''lute''
N - ''rood'' and ''rude''
Y - The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad''
Y - The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother''
And where are you from? Australia (Adelaide originally)
See also my website with some recordings: http://www.geocities.com/fkosovel
Do you distinguish in pronunciation between:
Y - ''cot'' and ''caught''
Y - ''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry''
Y - ''card'' and ''cord''
N - ''pour'' and ''poor''
N - ''wine'' and ''whine''
N - ''horse'' and ''hoarse''
Y - The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror''
Y - The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry''
N - ''lock'' and ''loch''
Y - ''pull'' and ''pool''
Y - ''tune'' and ''toon''
Y - ''do'' and ''dew''
N - ''loot'' and ''lute''
N - ''rood'' and ''rude''
Y - The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad''
Y - The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother''
And where are you from? Australia (Adelaide originally)
See also my website with some recordings: http://www.geocities.com/fkosovel
I am from England:
''cot'' and ''caught'' YES
''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry'' YES
''card'' and ''cord'' YES
''pour'' and ''poor'' NO
''wine'' and ''whine'' NO
''horse'' and ''hoarse'' NO
The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror'' YES
The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry'' YES
''lock'' and ''loch'' YES
''pull'' and ''pool'' YES
''tune'' and ''toon'' YES
''do'' and ''dew'' YES
''loot'' and ''lute'' NO
''rood'' and ''rude'' NO
The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad'' YES
The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother'' YES
''cot'' and ''caught'' YES
''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry'' YES
''card'' and ''cord'' YES
''pour'' and ''poor'' NO
''wine'' and ''whine'' NO
''horse'' and ''hoarse'' NO
The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror'' YES
The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry'' YES
''lock'' and ''loch'' YES
''pull'' and ''pool'' YES
''tune'' and ''toon'' YES
''do'' and ''dew'' YES
''loot'' and ''lute'' NO
''rood'' and ''rude'' NO
The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad'' YES
The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother'' YES
Do you distinguish in pronunciation between:
Y ''cot'' and ''caught''
Y ''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry''
Y ''card'' and ''cord''
N ''pour'' and ''poor'' - (same as "pore" and "paw")
Y ''wine'' and ''whine''
N ''horse'' and ''hoarse''
N The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror''
Y The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry''
N ''lock'' and ''loch''
Y ''pull'' and ''pool''
Y ''tune'' and ''toon''
Y ''do'' and ''dew''
N ''loot'' and ''lute''
N ''rood'' and ''rude''
Y The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad'' (bad is prolonged - "baad")
Y The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother''
And where are you from? [Adelaide, South Aust.]
Y ''cot'' and ''caught''
Y ''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry''
Y ''card'' and ''cord''
N ''pour'' and ''poor'' - (same as "pore" and "paw")
Y ''wine'' and ''whine''
N ''horse'' and ''hoarse''
N The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror''
Y The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry''
N ''lock'' and ''loch''
Y ''pull'' and ''pool''
Y ''tune'' and ''toon''
Y ''do'' and ''dew''
N ''loot'' and ''lute''
N ''rood'' and ''rude''
Y The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad'' (bad is prolonged - "baad")
Y The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother''
And where are you from? [Adelaide, South Aust.]
Oops, a typo.
N The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror''
Should be Y for Yes
N The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror''
Should be Y for Yes
Do you distinguish in pronunciation between:
''cot'' and ''caught'' No
''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry'' No
''card'' and ''cord'' Yes
''pour'' and ''poor'' Yes
''wine'' and ''whine'' No
''horse'' and ''hoarse'' No
The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror'' No
The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry'' No
''lock'' and ''loch'' No
''pull'' and ''pool'' Yes
''tune'' and ''toon'' No
''do'' and ''dew'' No
''loot'' and ''lute'' No
''rood'' and ''rude'' No
The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad'' No
The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother'' No
And where are you from?
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
''cot'' and ''caught'' No
''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry'' No
''card'' and ''cord'' Yes
''pour'' and ''poor'' Yes
''wine'' and ''whine'' No
''horse'' and ''hoarse'' No
The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror'' No
The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry'' No
''lock'' and ''loch'' No
''pull'' and ''pool'' Yes
''tune'' and ''toon'' No
''do'' and ''dew'' No
''loot'' and ''lute'' No
''rood'' and ''rude'' No
The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad'' No
The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother'' No
And where are you from?
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.