trying to write a poem

Guest   Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:39 pm GMT
kritika,

There are a few things you will learn about poems as time goes by, an important thing is knowing the type of poem you want to write. There are numerous categories, and these categories also fall under several types. The following are a few:

Acrostic, Ballad, cinquain, Clarity Pyramid, Clerihew, Diamante, Didactic, Epic, Epigram, Epitaph, Etheree, Fable, Free Verse, Ghazal, Haiku, Kyrielle, Kyrielle, Sonnet, Lanturne, Limerick, Minute Poetry, Mirrored Refrain, Monchielle,Monody, Monorhyme, Monotetra, Naani, Nonet, Ode, Ottava Rima, Palindrome, Pantoum, Paradelle, Rondeau, Tetractys, Villanelle, etc.

The list never seems to end, because new types will always be invented with time, you could even be the one to invent a new one (with your unique style)

They are mostly classified according to the number of stanza, number of lines per stanza, number of syllable per line (sentence), rhyming patterns, etc.
Some types of poems have been around since the 11th century, while some were just introduced in the last decade.

Your style (from my observation) is the "free verse" type (an irregular form of poetry in which the content is free of traditional rules of versification,
i.e freedom from fixed meter or rhyme). Another observation is your likeness for metaphor (an example is your "divine force"). In all, I will categorize your style as:

a "-- metaphorical free verse --"

"i got wings to fly anf flew inti its/his heart
never i tried to look behind happily i buried my dead past"
===============================================
try this:

in a twinkle; I was given the wings of flight,
in its heart I knew it was time to fly.
I never tried to look behind,
for my past was buried in the sands of time.

Almost music to your ears (though I do not think I have sufficient talent in the aspect of rhymes). Now - observe the four lines and take careful note of their rhyming pattern. Take out the syllabic structure of the following;

1. "wings-of-flight" = 3
2. "time-to-fly" = 3
3. "look-be-hind" = 3
4. "sands-of-time" = 3

You'll get something close to music; the last words do not rhyme but it has a good "syllabic rhyme"

Feel free to use the expressions if you like it.

What I will want you to do is to determine the following:

1. how many lines would you like your poem to have?
2. how many stanza? (the division of the poem; or how many parts?)
3. would you like to have a rhyming pattern?
4. are you going to stick to your metaphors?
5. will it bother you if your poem is seen by people as "too abstract" ?
and more importantly;
6. is it just a one time writing or writing poems will be important to you in the future?
Stan   Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:41 pm GMT
sorry, forgot to put my name
Fredrik from Norway   Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:37 pm GMT
Here is an example of a poem that manages to convey a lot of emotions without getting abstract, but staying on a concrete level. It's Joseph von Eichendorffs "The broken ring". I have translated it from German. The German rhymes are lost in English, but it's still a lovely poem:


The broken ring

In one cool river valley
a miller's wheel does turn,
My darling she is vanished
my darling who lived there.

She promised to be faithful
gave me a ring as pledge.
She broke the pledge she gave me
the ring it broke in two

I want to go as fiddler
into the wide wide world
To sing and play my sad airs
and go from house to house.

I want to fly as rider
into bloody battles
To sit by quiet fires
at night time in the field.

When I hear the miller's wheel
I don't know what I'll do.
Now my wish is just to die
then it will all be still
Orion Fallenchilde   Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:05 am GMT
-Lost words in a world.
of confusion.
to say is less.
To understand
is more..

Light burns
soilder turns
Changes to the
sence of new.

Men talk buisness
driven bye the core.
The core of monies
.. saving grase.

Light lights and ben talks


Bar she ,
keeps .
She keeps us allways...
Udit   Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:00 am GMT
Here is a new poetic form for all of you to try out-

http://www.shadowpoetry.com/resources/wip/alliterisen.html

Alliterisen
The Alliterisen, a form created by Udit Bhatia, is a simple seven-lined poem with a specific syllable
pattern and two alliterations per line. For example: Glorious Graves, and wonderful waves.
Alliteration is the succession of similar consonant sounds. They are not recognized by spelling, but
rather by sounds. The syllable structure is as follows:

1st line- x syllables
2nd line- x+2 syllables
3rd line- x-1 syllables
4th line- (x+2)-1 syllables
5th line- x-2 syllables
6th line- (x+2)-2 syllables
7th line- x syllables

which allows for infinite syllable sequences. Listed below are examples of some easy syllable
sequences. For a challnege, rhyming is optional with this form, but give it a try!

Sequence #1:

1st line- 8 syllables
2nd line- 10 syllables
3rd line- 7 syllables
4th line- 9 syllables
5th line- 6 syllables
6th line- 8 syllables
7th line- 8 syllables (same as first)


Sequence #2:

1st line- 9 syllables
2nd line- 11 syllables
3rd line- 8 syllables
4th line- 10 syllables
5th line- 7 syllables
6th line- 9 syllables
7th line- 9 syllables (same as first)


Sequence #3:

1st line- 10 syllables
2nd line- 12 syllables
3rd line- 9 syllables
4th line- 11 syllables
5th line- 8 syllables
6th line- 10 syllables
7th line- 10 syllables (same as first)


Sequence #4:

1st line- 11 syllables
2nd line- 13 syllables
3rd line- 10 syllables
4th line- 12 syllables
5th line- 9 syllables
6th line- 11 syllables
7th line- 11 syllables (same as first)


Sequence #5:

1st line- 12 syllables
2nd line- 14 syllables
3rd line- 11 syllables
4th line- 13 syllables
5th line- 10 syllables
6th line- 12 syllables
7th line- 12 syllables (same as first)


Sequence #6:

1st line- 13 syllables
2nd line- 15 syllables
3rd line- 12 syllables
4th line- 14 syllables
5th line- 11 syllables
6th line- 13 syllables
7th line- 13 syllables (same as first)



Example #1:
Fleeting Fantasies

Fragile fantasies, and rushing realities,
Crushing, cruising, creativity's kingdom.
Beyond boundaries of the tiring truth,
I seek solace in the fleeting fantasies.
Truth's trail hurts, but not Fake fantasy,
In Imagination's world where I live.
Must I sacrifice fiction for torrid truth?

Copyright © Udit Bhatia


Example #2:
Time's Travelers (Double Alliterisen)

Wonderful waves and glorious graves,
Liberal learning and barbaric burning.
Futile friends and edited ends,
Mighty mountains and fantastic fountains.
Soundless screams and dying dreams,
Revolting rivers and good givers,
Have all existed since time was born.

Safe senses and deadly defences,
Hidden horrors, and exhausted explorers.
Creative cries, and endless eyes,
Scorching summers and decaying drummers.
Soft signs and lamenting lines,
Pretending priests and bothering beasts,
Will always live till the end of time.

Copyright © Udit Bhatia
Stan   Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:06 am GMT
Alliterisen, very interesting, I will like to know more about that style, it seems to be a new invention. It seems complicated, especially as the rhyming scheme seems to change with each stanza, that probably makes it more interesting. I couldn't get much information on the name "Udit Bhatia," except the fact that it is an Indian name.

I'm not exactly sure if it is indeed a new style or a classic Indian style as I do not recall if I have ever heard of such a style; it is very interesting but I do not think that the particular type of rhyming scheme would fit well with modern poetry. You would probably need to create four (4) stanzas to manifest the unique features of the style. Its still a good style though, a marvelous innovation for poetry.

Two thumbs-up for poetry :)
ARS POETICA   Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:18 am GMT
Kritika, I urge you to attend a poetry class and stil if it won't work,

poetry ain't for you. It's a total waste!
Udit   Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:41 am GMT
Hello People,
This is Udit Bhatia. No, alliterisen is not an old form. It is a new creation. You may mail questions at-
uditbhatia186@hotmail.com
Udit   Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:07 pm GMT
So are you all there? I am the creator of this form. I have also added another type of alliterisen. Any queries may be mailed to the same address given above.
Damian in Dun Eidann   Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:43 pm GMT
Do you mean alliteration, Udit? Will Willie wilt waiting while Wilma wallows wilfully within?
Fredrik from Norway   Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:24 pm GMT
The Vikings were also big fans of alliteration. A nice example is a scaldic poem describing how King Harald the Fairhaired of Norway ravaged Scotland in the 9th century:

Menfergir bar margar
Margspakr - niðar varga
lundr vann sókn á sandi -
sandmens í bý randir;
áðr fyrir eljanfróðum
allr herr Skota þverri
lögðis seiðs af láði
læbrautar varð flœja.
=
Many shields in the town
by sea carried the lavish,
victory he obtained on the sands,
the voracious sailor from Nidelv,
untill it happened that the whole
army of the Scots, terrified,
fled the land
for the mighty king.

The alliterations in the original go like:
m-m
m
s-s
s
l-l
l
Udit   Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:43 pm GMT
No, the alliteration is a figure of speech. ALLITERISEN is a new form.
Alliterisen is of two types-
1. COMPLEX ALLITERISEN
The complex Alliterisen, a form created by Udit Bhatia, is a simple seven-lined poem with a specific syllable
pattern and two alliterations per line. For example: Glorious Graves, and wonderful waves.


Alliteration is the succession of similar consonant sounds. They are not recognized by spelling, but
rather by sounds. The syllable structure is as follows:

1st line- x syllables
2nd line- x+2 syllables
3rd line- x-1 syllables
4th line- (x+2)-1 syllables
5th line- x-2 syllables
6th line- (x+2)-2 syllables
7th line- x syllables

which allows for infinite syllable sequences. Listed below are examples of some easy syllable
sequences. For a challnege, rhyming is optional with this form, but give it a try!

Sequence #1:

1st line- 8 syllables
2nd line- 10 syllables
3rd line- 7 syllables
4th line- 9 syllables
5th line- 6 syllables
6th line- 8 syllables
7th line- 8 syllables (same as first)


Sequence #2:

1st line- 9 syllables
2nd line- 11 syllables
3rd line- 8 syllables
4th line- 10 syllables
5th line- 7 syllables
6th line- 9 syllables
7th line- 9 syllables (same as first)


Sequence #3:

1st line- 10 syllables
2nd line- 12 syllables
3rd line- 9 syllables
4th line- 11 syllables
5th line- 8 syllables
6th line- 10 syllables
7th line- 10 syllables (same as first)


Sequence #4:

1st line- 11 syllables
2nd line- 13 syllables
3rd line- 10 syllables
4th line- 12 syllables
5th line- 9 syllables
6th line- 11 syllables
7th line- 11 syllables (same as first)


Sequence #5:

1st line- 12 syllables
2nd line- 14 syllables
3rd line- 11 syllables
4th line- 13 syllables
5th line- 10 syllables
6th line- 12 syllables
7th line- 12 syllables (same as first)


Sequence #6:

1st line- 13 syllables
2nd line- 15 syllables
3rd line- 12 syllables
4th line- 14 syllables
5th line- 11 syllables
6th line- 13 syllables
7th line- 13 syllables (same as first)



Example #1:
Fleeting Fantasies

Fragile fantasies, and rushing realities,
Crushing, cruising, creativity's kingdom.
Beyond boundaries of the tiring truth,
I seek solace in the fleeting fantasies.
Truth's trail hurts, but not Fake fantasy,
In Imagination's world where I live.
Must I sacrifice fiction for torrid truth?

Copyright © Udit Bhatia


Example #2:
Time's Travelers (Double Alliterisen)

Wonderful waves and glorious graves,
Liberal learning and barbaric burning.
Futile friends and edited ends,
Mighty mountains and fantastic fountains.
Soundless screams and dying dreams,
Revolting rivers and good givers,
Have all existed since time was born.

Safe senses and deadly defences,
Hidden horrors, and exhausted explorers.
Creative cries, and endless eyes,
Scorching summers and decaying drummers.
Soft signs and lamenting lines,
Pretending priests and bothering beasts,
Will always live till the end of time.



2. RHYMING ALLITERISEN

Again, it has seven lines. The rhyming scheme is-
aabbccd

Each line has 7 syllables.

Each line has two alliterations.


Copyright © Udit Bhatia
Boy   Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:19 pm GMT
Udit. Great work. I really liked your style of poetry. It is quite unique.

Is it possible for you write a poem on the same pattern if I can give you a situation which is based on a reality story of someone whom I adore very much?
Udit   Sat May 06, 2006 2:00 am GMT
Yes, sure. And I am an 18 year old boy.
sbc_@yahoo.com   Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:02 am GMT
i nid some example of poem with 3 satanza and 7 syllable