Cock of the North

Robin   Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:37 am GMT
What proper Cock of the North (Scottish Gentleman) would be caught in public without a suitable knife tucked in the top of his hose? None, I dare say. It was not always thus.

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a small knife (a skien dhu - translation a black knife) hidden in your sock.

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The Highland clans had been broken at Culloden in 1746. All weapons had been forbidden to the Highlanders, and even the bagpipes were classed as a weapon of war. To be caught wearing a kilt or tartan in any form brought a harsh and automatic sentence. However, the English bowed to the obvious--the Scots were a tough, combative people and good fighters. The dirk, kilt and targe lived on in the Highland regiments which began to be formed in the English Army. One regiment which rapidly became famous was the Black Watch, which fought successfully in America during the French and Indian War of the 1750's.

Sir Walter Scott wrote a series of novels based on the Highlander, in which he contrasted the simple code of honor of the Highlander with the political deviousness of the Lowland Scot and the English.

where else in western society is it considered high fashion to stroll into a formal dinner dance wearing a knife with a 13 inch blade?

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The Sgian Dubh (pronounced "skee(a)n doo", IPA /ski:n du:/, or lightly diphthongised /skiən/)

The name comes from the Gaelic meaning "black knife", where "black" may refer to the usual colour of the handle of the knife. It is also suggested that "black" means secret, or hidden, as in the word blackmail.

As Gaelic words often pose problems for English speakers, many erroneous spellings are found in the literature surrounding the kilt and Highland dress, mostly involving misplacing the h, imitating the pronunciation or confusing sgian with the place-name Skene:

skein dubh
sgian dhub
skene du
skean dhu
skhian dubh

sgian means knife or dagger, dubh means black.

this is the same knife that a Scottish woman would have carried under the apron of her wrap-around "kilted" skirt, along with her purse. Just as with any man, a woman would have had to carry her own eating utensils.

armpit dagger mentioned in connection with the Scots in the 17th and 18th centuries. This was a knife slightly larger than today's sgian dubh that was carried in the upper sleeve of the jacket and drawn from the inside through the armhole, or possibly in the lining of the body of the jacket under the left arm

skinning and butchering of wild game after the successful hunt was usually undertaken by the upper-class hunter's ghillie, literally "boy" in Gaelic, as in serving boy. The huntsman would not stoop to such work. It may have been a hangover of this attitude that had officers in the military regiments resist the carrying of sgian dubhs, as they were initially considered fit only for "ghillies and serving rascals."

That the little knife was not fully accepted by the upper classes is hinted at by the fact it is not worn by "that wee German Laddie," King George IV, when he was painted in full highland regalia during his visit to Scotland in 1822. By the 1850's, however the sgian dubh was universally worn.

The other alternative might be what was done by some members of kilted regiments--having the image of a sgian dubh tattooed on the leg.

What proper Cock of the North (Scottish Gentleman) would be caught in public without a suitable knife tucked in the top of his hose? None, I dare say. It was not always thus.
Mee   Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:41 am GMT
What about the Cock of the Peter North aka Peter Cumming aka The Milk-man? I've heard about it, but can anyone explain me who he is?...
Damian in London E16   Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:33 am GMT
I don't wear my kilt all that fact quite rarely now for various reasons, although I have it with me here in London and have worn it twice so far socially since I've been here. You'd be amazed how much people down here come on to you big time just for wearing a's great! :-)

As for the sgian dubh (the usual spelling) I would never sport that down here...I would back hame, but not here. I could be nicked by a London copper for carrying an offensive weapon, kilt or no kilt. Ha!
Robin   Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:35 pm GMT
Robin   Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:40 pm GMT
In Bristol there is a Pub called the "Cock of the North"

But I always thought that: Cock was a rude word?

Presumably Peter Cumming (why did I not guess), is a Porn Star in 'The Milkman.

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The milkman? The guy next door?

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Uriel   Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:16 pm GMT
Cock is not always a rude word. As a noun it can be slang for "penis" but it can also mean "rooster" or be a generic term for any male game bird (hence it's association with the penis, one would presume). That's why you will also see birds called woodcocks and gamecocks (there it applies to either sex).

As a verb, "to cock" means to tilt, as in "to cock your head", or to ready a gun for firing.

How exactly does one get into a social situation where it is appropriate to wear a kilt, Damian? ;) Although I can see the appeal -- easy access and all!
Robin   Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:41 pm GMT
Excuse me teacher, but what is a 'cock shy'?
Damian in London NW8   Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:45 pm GMT
***How exactly does one get into a social situation where it is appropriate to wear a kilt, Damian? ;) Although I can see the appeal -- easy access and all!***

Erm......quite easily, Uriel. To be perfectly honest with you I brought my kilt down to London mainly to make a statement. It's a wee bit weird really....back home I wear a kilt only on special occasions, not like some guys who like to strut up and down Princes Street on a Saturday afternoon just to be photographed by tourists...either solo or in groups, although many blokes genuinely wear the kilt because they want to. Apart from demonstrating their undoubted Scottishness, it's also very liberating, if you get my drift. On the other hand it can be a wee bit problematic, especially when we encounter the north east winds I mentioned in another thread.

You mentioned the appeal you can on. Wearing the kilt down here does other people. That's why it's so me. As for the easy access bit....whatever do you mean exactly?...well, apart from the obvious...??? :-)
Boy   Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:27 pm GMT
Can we see a picture of the kilt online? I am too lazy to search it....I have also got a fever so I am lacking some energy.

Let me guess it from the above mentioned context. Last year I was watching a documentary on the city of Edinburg on the Discovery channel. One of the professors from the University of Edinburg was describing details about the city, its festivals and local sports...etc. There was a game being played by some local scots - right now I can't recall the game's name. It was like a guy who threw a heavy ball in the air which was attached with a long string. The other guy just measured the length of the ball, I mean how far it had covered the distance. The guys dressed quite funny clothes. Have you ever seen women tennis players wearing a skirt with many folds? They wore it that thing, it looked very funny on boys who were playing the game. :-)

Yes, That professor's accent was almost incomprehensible on my ears. I am just wondering if he had a scottish accent? I haven't listened to the scottish accent online. His accent sounded like if I was hearing a cartoon character if I hadn't seen his real face during the program.
A Penguin   Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:22 pm GMT
Hullo Boy,

Is that game thingy you mentioned supposed to be "tossing the caber"? I don't know - I'll wait for Damian to explain.

It's the University of EdinburgH with an H, m'boy =p. And my Director of Studies here has such an accent. On the whole though, the university isn't very Scottish: most people I meet are either English or international (like myself), and all my lecturers have English accents.

I assure you: There's nothing funny or odd about everyday life here. People are commonplace and ordinary like people everywhere - and I've seen footballs, rugby balls, tennis balls... but caber-tossing? No. And a kilt isn't something you'd wear to either class or work.

As for social situations where it IS appropriate to wear a kilt... well according to the university code, it's appropriate to wear a kilt at the graduation ceremony, so I suppose that goes for all formal occasions? (But I won't be wearing one =p. Heck, I haven't even worn shorts for 5 years!)
A Penguin   Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:25 pm GMT
"Cock of the north" eh?

Which leads me to ponder, is Edinburgh the "Athens of the North" or "Reykjavik of the South"?
Guest   Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:52 pm GMT
Sorry, I thought it was a thread about Adam.
Uriel   Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:34 pm GMT
Oh, I meant the obvious, Damian ... you know me!

A kilt is basically a plaid skirt, Boy. As a girl who hates wearing skirts, I have a hard time seeing the appeal, but to each their own! I could live in shorts, though....
Rene   Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:27 pm GMT
Damian: <As for the easy access bit....whatever do you mean exactly?...well, apart from the obvious...??? :-) >

I hope that doesn't mean you're going commando cuz if you are I can definately see the problem with those winds. LOL.
Skunky   Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:19 pm GMT
And not just the winds....his hairy Scottish butt crack might touch a surface supposed to be clean!