Brennus : Canada-Quebec/English-French.
<< 60% are not dutch speaking but flemmish speaking... >>
Sander will surely have something to say about this... lol. I won't comment on that because I don't know what your motivation/reason for describing 'Flemish' as a separate language from 'Dutch' was.
I know a flemish gril and she insist that flemish and ducth are 2 spearate lanaguages. But I think that they are very, very, very similar !!!
Benjamin,
As Pauline said, i had the same experience with a few flemmish people. I think it is similar, but i am not flemmish or dutch so my knowledge about the culture is close to 0%. I think maybe it is because being dutch refers to a nationality not a language. It could be like i am austrian and i speak german (it is a think only, i am not a specialist).
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Or France in 1995-96 and Israel in 2006. Unfortunately the UN is not a trusty organization anymore thanks to these actions. But the worst part is when the perpetrators use the UN's advantages when they do work for them.
« As Pauline said, i had the same experience with a few flemmish people. I think it is similar, but i am not flemmish or dutch so my knowledge about the culture is close to 0%. I think maybe it is because being dutch refers to a nationality not a language. It could be like i am austrian and i speak german (it is a think only, i am not a specialist). »
The official languages of Belgium are Dutch, French and German, or more accurately Nederlands, français and Deutsch. 'Flemish' has a lot of meanings. It is commonly used to refer to the Dutch spoken in Belgium, although it is not really appropriate to think of 'Dutch Dutch' and 'Belgian Dutch' as two distinct languages.
Francophone Belgians like callin Belgian Dutch ''Flemish'' in order to make Flemish people inferior [''they speak a dialect'']. Sincerely speaking, very few people in Belgium speak Flemish and Waloon languages, they speak Dutch and French with Belgian accent instead, of course a newspaper published in Brussels uses perfect Dutch/French.
Walloon is a langauge separate of french, but related. During the last century (20th) it diminished all the time, and now most of walloons speak belgian french, not walloon. Milk inc, so far i agree with you.
But, it is not the francophone belgains who like calling Belgian Dutch ''Flemish'' ; it is the Flemish people themself. They are called ''vlaamingen'' what other they would be called ? It is absolutely NOT to make them to feel inferior !!!
if you ask a flemish : ''are you Dutch ?'' they will reply ''no, flemish''
There's NOTHING perjorative with this word flemish (as far as I know )
*language
*belgians
*pejorative
sorry for my incorrect writing !!
»Porque eu digo assim. Seu biruta! Você dançou feio. »
Because I say so. You idiot. You behaved badly.
Você ganhou o argumento, LLorena, que intelligencia!
You won the argument , Llorena, what intelligence!
<if you ask a flemish : ''are you Dutch ?'' they will reply ''no, flemish''
There's NOTHING perjorative with this word flemish (as far as I know )>
Howabout if we asked an American/Australian/Canadian/New Zealand/etc. if they are from England since they speak English or of English orgins. Language alone cannot be considered apart of cultural identify in this shinking world of ours.
So...... I have to agree that 'Flemish' the language is a dialect of Dutch. Of course there are others who consider the Flemish language a language in it's own right but we need to see to be considered a separate language and look at a wonderful example of Afrikaans.
On the other hand - If I was a Dutch speaking Belgian would obviously wouldn't want to be confused with my cousins north of the border. So I would consider myself Flemish.
I would like to add the fact that there are also some flemmish people in France inn areas like Dunkerque.
what happens to English-speaking neighborhoods of Montreal if QUebec goes away from Canada? will it make another West Berlin?
think: West Montreal is in Canada but East Montreal is the capital of Quebec?
Nico to Llorenna,
"Let see what we can say about your post from: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:29 am GMT which is amazingly full of non sense "
You should look at her other posts, they are also full of nonsense.
what happens to English-speaking neighborhoods of Montreal if QUebec goes away from Canada? will it make another West Berlin?
think: West Montreal is in Canada but East Montreal is the capital of Quebec?"
They have the whole English Canada plus the entire USA to live, is a very arrogant and selfish atittude to want to make Montréal an english speaking cit. The Capital of Québec will be the ville of Québec, and Montréal will be the biggest ville Francophone of North America once Québec became independant.
''They have the whole English Canada plus the entire USA to live, is a very arrogant and selfish atittude to want to make Montréal an english speaking cit.''
There is a large English speaking minority in Montreal.
They should be given rights if Quebec gets independent.
Maybe an English speaking state within Quebec?