Brennus : Canada-Quebec/English-French.

Benjamin   Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:24 pm GMT
<< 60% are not dutch speaking but flemmish speaking... >>

Sander will surely have something to say about this... lol. I won't comment on that because I don't know what your motivation/reason for describing 'Flemish' as a separate language from 'Dutch' was.
Pauline   Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:39 pm GMT
I know a flemish gril and she insist that flemish and ducth are 2 spearate lanaguages. But I think that they are very, very, very similar !!!
nico   Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:20 pm GMT
Benjamin,

As Pauline said, i had the same experience with a few flemmish people. I think it is similar, but i am not flemmish or dutch so my knowledge about the culture is close to 0%. I think maybe it is because being dutch refers to a nationality not a language. It could be like i am austrian and i speak german (it is a think only, i am not a specialist).
Aldvm   Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:29 pm GMT
<<Les Nations-Unies sont loin d'être une utopie : elles fonctionnent très bien dès lors qu'elles ne sont pas délibérément sabotées (par les États-Unis par exemple —> guerre illégale contre l'Iraq en 2003). >>

Or France in 1995-96 and Israel in 2006. Unfortunately the UN is not a trusty organization anymore thanks to these actions. But the worst part is when the perpetrators use the UN's advantages when they do work for them.
Benjamin   Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:59 pm GMT
« As Pauline said, i had the same experience with a few flemmish people. I think it is similar, but i am not flemmish or dutch so my knowledge about the culture is close to 0%. I think maybe it is because being dutch refers to a nationality not a language. It could be like i am austrian and i speak german (it is a think only, i am not a specialist). »

The official languages of Belgium are Dutch, French and German, or more accurately Nederlands, français and Deutsch. 'Flemish' has a lot of meanings. It is commonly used to refer to the Dutch spoken in Belgium, although it is not really appropriate to think of 'Dutch Dutch' and 'Belgian Dutch' as two distinct languages.
Milk inc   Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:53 pm GMT
Francophone Belgians like callin Belgian Dutch ''Flemish'' in order to make Flemish people inferior [''they speak a dialect'']. Sincerely speaking, very few people in Belgium speak Flemish and Waloon languages, they speak Dutch and French with Belgian accent instead, of course a newspaper published in Brussels uses perfect Dutch/French.
Pauline   Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:34 pm GMT
Walloon is a langauge separate of french, but related. During the last century (20th) it diminished all the time, and now most of walloons speak belgian french, not walloon. Milk inc, so far i agree with you.

But, it is not the francophone belgains who like calling Belgian Dutch ''Flemish'' ; it is the Flemish people themself. They are called ''vlaamingen'' what other they would be called ? It is absolutely NOT to make them to feel inferior !!!

if you ask a flemish : ''are you Dutch ?'' they will reply ''no, flemish''

There's NOTHING perjorative with this word flemish (as far as I know )
Pauline   Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:53 pm GMT
*language
*belgians
*pejorative

sorry for my incorrect writing !!
Guest   Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:25 pm GMT
»Porque eu digo assim. Seu biruta! Você dançou feio. »
Because I say so. You idiot. You behaved badly.

Você ganhou o argumento, LLorena, que intelligencia!
You won the argument , Llorena, what intelligence!
Guest   Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:02 pm GMT
<if you ask a flemish : ''are you Dutch ?'' they will reply ''no, flemish''

There's NOTHING perjorative with this word flemish (as far as I know )>

Howabout if we asked an American/Australian/Canadian/New Zealand/etc. if they are from England since they speak English or of English orgins. Language alone cannot be considered apart of cultural identify in this shinking world of ours.

So...... I have to agree that 'Flemish' the language is a dialect of Dutch. Of course there are others who consider the Flemish language a language in it's own right but we need to see to be considered a separate language and look at a wonderful example of Afrikaans.

On the other hand - If I was a Dutch speaking Belgian would obviously wouldn't want to be confused with my cousins north of the border. So I would consider myself Flemish.
nico   Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:52 am GMT
I would like to add the fact that there are also some flemmish people in France inn areas like Dunkerque.
Will   Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:43 pm GMT
what happens to English-speaking neighborhoods of Montreal if QUebec goes away from Canada? will it make another West Berlin?

think: West Montreal is in Canada but East Montreal is the capital of Quebec?
Guest   Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:32 pm GMT
Nico to Llorenna,
"Let see what we can say about your post from: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:29 am GMT which is amazingly full of non sense "

You should look at her other posts, they are also full of nonsense.
Guest   Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:30 pm GMT
what happens to English-speaking neighborhoods of Montreal if QUebec goes away from Canada? will it make another West Berlin?

think: West Montreal is in Canada but East Montreal is the capital of Quebec?"

They have the whole English Canada plus the entire USA to live, is a very arrogant and selfish atittude to want to make Montréal an english speaking cit. The Capital of Québec will be the ville of Québec, and Montréal will be the biggest ville Francophone of North America once Québec became independant.
Jordan   Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:23 pm GMT
''They have the whole English Canada plus the entire USA to live, is a very arrogant and selfish atittude to want to make Montréal an english speaking cit.''

There is a large English speaking minority in Montreal.
They should be given rights if Quebec gets independent.
Maybe an English speaking state within Quebec?