This Ottawa newscaster has /Q/ in ''options, Ottawa, hospital''
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DelqDqSmrAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DelqDqSmrAQ
Merged vowel in Canadian English
I think the CBC tends to prefer the [Q] form somewhat, and younger women do tend to lead these kinds of shifts, as indicated above, but this doesn't sound like [Q] to me. If it is rounded, it's only slightly. I think the main difference between Canadian and GenAm /A/ is that the Canadian one is farther back, rather than any roundedness difference. Are you American, Louis? Because to me, this pronunciation of 'Ottawa' doesn't sound the same as RP /Q/ or GenAm. /O/ (often phonetically [Q]). Maybe some English people could listen to this and see if it sounds like their [Q]? Or Lazar, if you're around, is this the same as or similar to your LOT set?
Hmm, I think the newsreader's /A/ in that example does sound like my /Q/.
I'm not English, but my accent is overall closer to RP, and I think that there is a difference between present-day /Q/ which is usually somewhat raised, and the [Q] of the broadcaster. This may be due to the fact that /o/ is almost always [@U] in modern RP, which has allowed /O/ to be raised to almost [o:], and /Q/ to be raised to [O]. I'm not sure if that's the correct order of events, or even an accurate description of it.
<<I'm not sure if that's the correct order of events, or even an accurate description of it.>>
Yeah, that's called a chain shift. And likewise, Northern English people who realize /o/ as [o:] tend to have an opener realization of /O/, right?
Yeah, that's called a chain shift. And likewise, Northern English people who realize /o/ as [o:] tend to have an opener realization of /O/, right?
So this actually is [Q]? Because it doesn't sound like the sample here:
http://hctv.humnet.ucla.edu/departments/linguistics/VowelsandConsonants/course/chapter1/vowels.html
http://hctv.humnet.ucla.edu/departments/linguistics/VowelsandConsonants/course/chapter1/vowels.html
<<Because it doesn't sound like the sample here:>>
That's true. His [Q] sounds closer than my [Q].
I think this guy's [Q] is closer to my realization: http://www.paulmeier.com/ipa/vowels.html
That's true. His [Q] sounds closer than my [Q].
I think this guy's [Q] is closer to my realization: http://www.paulmeier.com/ipa/vowels.html
OK, that [Q] does sound like my /A/. So is RP /Q/ not phonetically [Q]? Is it closer to [O]. So I guess I do have [Q], but I've never noticed a difference between my realization of /A/ and GenAm /A/.
In Estuary English (like in Australian English) it tends to be raised to [O]; and I've heard some English people whose speech seems to be closer to RP, but who nonetheless use closer values - more like [O] and [o:] - for historical [Q] and [O:].
On part of the Antimoon website they have recordings of an American and and Englishman pronouncing various words: http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-soundsipa.htm . What do you make of the English pronunciation for "hot, rock"?
On part of the Antimoon website they have recordings of an American and and Englishman pronouncing various words: http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-soundsipa.htm . What do you make of the English pronunciation for "hot, rock"?
Neither the American nor the British pronunciations really match mine, but I'm not sure precisely why. The American one is more fronted than mine, but I don't think all Americans produce /A/ like this. It's hard to tell for me exactly how the British one differs from mine. It's shorter, for one thing, but I can't tell if it's more rounded or more closed. I'm confused about the sounds of [A] and [Q]. I put an accent sample up in another thread, could you take a listen and tell me if you think I'm using [Q]?
Yeah, even what seem like more open realizations of British /Q/ still seem somewhat different from my [Q]; it could be that they're more rounded.
(I've found some more samples of RP speech here http://web.tiscali.it/davidbrett/phonology/grouping_words.htm , presuming that the speaker is actually British - I think he is. He seems to use an opener value for [Q].)
(I've found some more samples of RP speech here http://web.tiscali.it/davidbrett/phonology/grouping_words.htm , presuming that the speaker is actually British - I think he is. He seems to use an opener value for [Q].)
"this number is not [nQt] in service..." and it seems foreign to me, almost British.
As it does to me. I've gotten that message before and the "not" pronunciation indeed sounds odd to me.
As it does to me. I've gotten that message before and the "not" pronunciation indeed sounds odd to me.
Try here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEFlCPgluiU
Andrew Nichols, he has a neutral Ontario(?) accent, the merged vowel
is /A/
DAVID COMMON (Regina, Manitoba) 01:28 - 03:35
merged vowel is /Q/, it sounds a bit British
large /lQrdZ/
body /bQdi/
grandfather /graendfQD@r/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEFlCPgluiU
Andrew Nichols, he has a neutral Ontario(?) accent, the merged vowel
is /A/
DAVID COMMON (Regina, Manitoba) 01:28 - 03:35
merged vowel is /Q/, it sounds a bit British
large /lQrdZ/
body /bQdi/
grandfather /graendfQD@r/
''How general is General Canadian?''
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~robh/files/CEGC%20handout.pdf
a very nice article
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~robh/files/CEGC%20handout.pdf
a very nice article