American Pronunciation of Can and Can't

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Pete   Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:11 pm GMT
"can" and "can't" don't have the same vowel. "can" has a short vowel sound as in "cat", whereas "can't" has a diphthong as in "pad". I've heard people pronounce "can" with the diphthong in "pad" which I have often misheard as "can't".
Johnathan Mark   Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:17 pm GMT
When I was living in Indiana I could identify fellow Upper Midwesterners (Minnesota, Wisconsin) as those who pronounced can as [kEn].
Josh Lalonde   Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:29 am GMT
<<"can" and "can't" don't have the same vowel. "can" has a short vowel sound as in "cat", whereas "can't" has a diphthong as in "pad". I've heard people pronounce "can" with the diphthong in "pad" which I have often misheard as "can't">>

Are you from New York?
Pete   Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:55 am GMT
<<Are you from New York?>>

Indeed I am. How did you guess so accurately? Are you superman or something?
Pete   Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:01 am GMT
The thing is, I've often gotten confused when hearing the response "I can" with the "pad" diphthong, thinking that they were really saying "I can't".
Josh Lalonde   Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:56 am GMT
<<Indeed I am. How did you guess so accurately? Are you superman or something?>>

No (I wish). It's just that New York and Philadelphia are the only parts of North America I can think of that have a diphthong for some TRAP words, but not in 'can'.
Travis   Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:13 am GMT
I have to say that I myself am often confused when people pronounce "can't" as ["k_h{~:n] or ["k_hE{~:n], since "can't" normally lacks [n] unless pronounced quite carefully, where then it has [t] either. As a result, people who use such pronunciations of "can't" sound like they are saying "can".
Pete   Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:22 am GMT
<<No (I wish). It's just that New York and Philadelphia are the only parts of North America I can think of that have a diphthong for some TRAP words, but not in 'can'.>>

"can" actually has two pronunciations for me. "Can" meaning "able to" has a short "a", whereas "can" meaning the container has a diphthong. So, in the sentence "Can I have a can of soda?" the two "can"s are pronounced differently.
Travis   Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:24 am GMT
I meant to say "since 'can't' normally lacks [n] here" above.
Frik   Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:59 am GMT
I pronounce "can" as [ka~] and "can't" as [kja:~].
Josh Lalonde   Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:24 am GMT
<<I pronounce "can" as [ka~] and "can't" as [kja:~].>>

Are from the Caribbean?
Frik   Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:34 am GMT
<<Are from the Caribbean?>>

Yes. Specifically Jamaica.
Josh Lalonde   Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:40 am GMT
<<Yes. Specifically Jamaica.>>

That's what I suspected. Is there any difference in intonation between those words?
Frik   Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:45 am GMT
<<Is there any difference in intonation between those words?>>

Yes.
Frik   Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:00 am GMT
What about "don't"? I have [o:~]. The /d/ totally disappears.
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