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Now that we have a contributor from New York, I'd like to ask a few questions about the low back vowels. Does 'cot' have the same vowel as 'cod'? If not, which of these vowels do 'father' and 'palm' have? I assume all these are different from the vowel of 'caught'.
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1. "cot" does not have the same vowel as "cod". "cot" has a short "o" /A/ and "cod" has an "ah" sound /A@/.
2. "father" and "palm" have the vowel in "cod".
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Okay, here's a question. Does "dali" rhyme with "dolly" for you? It doesn't for me. "dali" most certainly has /A@/ while "dolly" has /A/.
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>> Okay, here's a question. Does "dali" rhyme with "dolly" for you? It doesn't for me. "dali" most certainly has /A@/ while "dolly" has /A/. <<
Hmm, I'm not sure what "dali" means, but seeing as I'm bother-father-cot-caught mergered, I'm gonna say it rhymes with dolly: [dQli] or [dAli].
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<<Okay, here's a question. Does "dali" rhyme with "dolly" for you? It doesn't for me.>>
I was just talking about this on another thread last week: http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t7999.htm . I'm generally father-bother and cot-caught merged, but I do distinguish 'Dali' [dA_":li:] from 'dolly' [dQ:li:].
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Josh Lalonde,
So, does that mean you're cot-caught merged but father-bother unmerged?
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<<So, does that mean you're cot-caught merged but father-bother unmerged?>>
I wouldn't say that. 'Father' and 'bother' rhyme for example, as do 'palm' and 'Tom'. There are few foreign words that I pronounce with [A_":], but I don't think I use it for any native English words.
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doll, call, mall, tall, small, hall, golf, salt have /A/ in my accent
small doll /smAl dAl/
mall hall /mAl hAl/
all NewYorkers I know pronounce it like /smQl dAl / that is, very asymmetrically...
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How exactly is "Lalonde" pronounced? [l@loUnd]?
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<<How exactly is "Lalonde" pronounced? [l@loUnd]?>>
That's close enough. I pronounce it [lalo:nd] or [lalo:~d], which is a bit closer to the French pronunciation.
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