New York low back vowels

Pete   Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:45 am GMT
1. "cot" does not have the same vowel as "cod". "cot" has a short "o" /A/ and "cod" has an "ah" sound /A@/.

2. "father" and "palm" have the vowel in "cod".
Pete   Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:21 am GMT
Okay, here's a question. Does "dali" rhyme with "dolly" for you? It doesn't for me. "dali" most certainly has /A@/ while "dolly" has /A/.
Sarcastic Northwesterner   Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:20 pm GMT
>> Okay, here's a question. Does "dali" rhyme with "dolly" for you? It doesn't for me. "dali" most certainly has /A@/ while "dolly" has /A/. <<

Hmm, I'm not sure what "dali" means, but seeing as I'm bother-father-cot-caught mergered, I'm gonna say it rhymes with dolly: [dQli] or [dAli].
Guy   Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:30 pm GMT
Josh Lalonde,

So, does that mean you're cot-caught merged but father-bother unmerged?
Guest   Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:05 pm GMT
doll, call, mall, tall, small, hall, golf, salt have /A/ in my accent

small doll /smAl dAl/
mall hall /mAl hAl/

all NewYorkers I know pronounce it like /smQl dAl / that is, very asymmetrically...
Pete   Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:19 pm GMT
How exactly is "Lalonde" pronounced? [l@loUnd]?