Hmm, considering the word itself is Greek in origin (demokratía), they ought to be the first democracy ever, even if their notion of democracy was not the same as of today.
language of democracy?
I'm going to say the language of democracy is English. Every other nation it could have been (Greek, French, Italian, etc.) has unfortunately shown to be strongly anti-democratic at some point in recent history, where the US still represents capitalism and democracy, helping bring both to many countries of the world.
<< where the US still represents capitalism and democracy, helping bring both to many countries of the world. >>
Yeah, we brought democracy to Irak.
Yeah, we brought democracy to Irak.
>>US still represents capitalism and democracy, helping bring both to many countries of the world.<<
LOL, this kind of "help":
# In March 2003, USA military officials admitted that two Afghan prisoners captured the previous December had died under interrogation at Bagram air base. The cause of death for the two men is given as "homicide" contradicting earlier reports of death by a heart attack and a pulmonary embolism. The death certificates indicate that one of the victims (known only as Diliwar, aged 22 from the Khost region) died of "blunt force injuries to lower extremeties complicating coronoary artery desease". The other vicitm, Mullah Habibullah (aged 30) died from a blood clot in the lung exacerbated by a "blunt force injury".
USA officials have previously admitted using "stress and duress" on prisoners including sleep deprivation, denial of medication for battle injuries, forcing them to stand or kneel for hours on end, subjecting them to loud noises and sudden flashes of light, and engaging in cluturally humiliating practices such as having them kicked by female officers. The USA claims that these practices are "humane" while groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have denounded these practices as torture as defined by international treaty.
Human Rights Watch has also criticised the USA practice of handing over subjects to countries such as Jordan, Morocco or Egypt where torture is a normal part of the security aparatus. Legally, it says, there is no difference between using torture and "subcontracting it out".
The USA continues to refuse to recognise captives from Afghanistan as Prisoners of War subject to protection under the Geneva Convention. Many prisoners have been taken to military bases in Cuba without any legal extradition process. The prisoners have no access to council or their government officials. They have been threatened with a military tribunal that can condemn them to death in closed court with no rights of appeal.
Nearly 100 detainees were released (by early 2004) after being held for up to two and a half years without charges.
# In May 2004, photographs showing USA and UK soldiers torturing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners were published in newspapers. The prison was Abu-Ghraib in Baghdad, once used by former dictator, Saddam Hussein.
Some pictures showed USA troops smiling, posing, laughing or giving the thumbs-up sign as naked, male Iraqi prisoners were stacked in a pyramid or positioned to simulate sex acts with one another. The most iconic image shows a hooded prisoner standing on a small box with wires attached to his stretched-out arms.
Seymour Hersh, a USA journalist, asserts that most of the Iraqi prisoners were civilians picked up at checkpoints. He was quoting from a secret military report written by Major-General Antonio Taguba in January 2004. He describes many tortures used on Iraqi prisoners: "Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee".
Taguba's report states that the abuse is systematic and also included punching, slapping and kicking detainees, forcing male detainees to wear women's underwear, forcing male detainees to masturbate while being photographed, pulling detainees by dog chains placed around their necks, and a case of a male guard having sex with a female detainee.
Amnesty International reported that the torture of Iraqi prisoners by USA and UK soldiers was "not an isolated incident". During the year of occupation Amnesty International reported "frequent reports of torture or other ill-treatment by coalition forces during the past year" which included sleep deprivation, beatings, prolonged hooding and restraint in painful positions, and exposure to bright lights and loud music. The International Red Cross also said that these abuses had been occuring for a year. Confirmation comes from Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederik, who says he was told to use these techniques on prisoners to "soften them up" for interrogation.
# In September 2006, a USA report stated that torture in Iraq was worse than under Saddam Hussein.
LOL, this kind of "help":
# In March 2003, USA military officials admitted that two Afghan prisoners captured the previous December had died under interrogation at Bagram air base. The cause of death for the two men is given as "homicide" contradicting earlier reports of death by a heart attack and a pulmonary embolism. The death certificates indicate that one of the victims (known only as Diliwar, aged 22 from the Khost region) died of "blunt force injuries to lower extremeties complicating coronoary artery desease". The other vicitm, Mullah Habibullah (aged 30) died from a blood clot in the lung exacerbated by a "blunt force injury".
USA officials have previously admitted using "stress and duress" on prisoners including sleep deprivation, denial of medication for battle injuries, forcing them to stand or kneel for hours on end, subjecting them to loud noises and sudden flashes of light, and engaging in cluturally humiliating practices such as having them kicked by female officers. The USA claims that these practices are "humane" while groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have denounded these practices as torture as defined by international treaty.
Human Rights Watch has also criticised the USA practice of handing over subjects to countries such as Jordan, Morocco or Egypt where torture is a normal part of the security aparatus. Legally, it says, there is no difference between using torture and "subcontracting it out".
The USA continues to refuse to recognise captives from Afghanistan as Prisoners of War subject to protection under the Geneva Convention. Many prisoners have been taken to military bases in Cuba without any legal extradition process. The prisoners have no access to council or their government officials. They have been threatened with a military tribunal that can condemn them to death in closed court with no rights of appeal.
Nearly 100 detainees were released (by early 2004) after being held for up to two and a half years without charges.
# In May 2004, photographs showing USA and UK soldiers torturing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners were published in newspapers. The prison was Abu-Ghraib in Baghdad, once used by former dictator, Saddam Hussein.
Some pictures showed USA troops smiling, posing, laughing or giving the thumbs-up sign as naked, male Iraqi prisoners were stacked in a pyramid or positioned to simulate sex acts with one another. The most iconic image shows a hooded prisoner standing on a small box with wires attached to his stretched-out arms.
Seymour Hersh, a USA journalist, asserts that most of the Iraqi prisoners were civilians picked up at checkpoints. He was quoting from a secret military report written by Major-General Antonio Taguba in January 2004. He describes many tortures used on Iraqi prisoners: "Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee".
Taguba's report states that the abuse is systematic and also included punching, slapping and kicking detainees, forcing male detainees to wear women's underwear, forcing male detainees to masturbate while being photographed, pulling detainees by dog chains placed around their necks, and a case of a male guard having sex with a female detainee.
Amnesty International reported that the torture of Iraqi prisoners by USA and UK soldiers was "not an isolated incident". During the year of occupation Amnesty International reported "frequent reports of torture or other ill-treatment by coalition forces during the past year" which included sleep deprivation, beatings, prolonged hooding and restraint in painful positions, and exposure to bright lights and loud music. The International Red Cross also said that these abuses had been occuring for a year. Confirmation comes from Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederik, who says he was told to use these techniques on prisoners to "soften them up" for interrogation.
# In September 2006, a USA report stated that torture in Iraq was worse than under Saddam Hussein.
<<Every other nation it could have been (Greek, French, Italian, etc.) has unfortunately shown to be strongly anti-democratic at some point in recent history, where the US still represents capitalism and democracy, helping bring both to many countries of the world. >>
I suspect the democracy in the US will be coming to an end within a few decades, even if the US manages to avoid being overrun by some enemy superpower.
One tradition of democracies is that they are temporary. The politicians become corrupt or the government goes bankrupt, and the democracy loses popular support. A new "benevolant" dictator could step in, with widespread popular support at first for making the tough decisions needed for national survival (getting rid of welfare, medicare, social security, letting old people starve to death, genocide/deportation for illegal immigrants and minorities, etc.). With any luck, conditions later on will again become right for a new democracy to emerge, by popular demand.
I suppose there's no reason for capitalism to come to an end in the US, though.
I suspect the democracy in the US will be coming to an end within a few decades, even if the US manages to avoid being overrun by some enemy superpower.
One tradition of democracies is that they are temporary. The politicians become corrupt or the government goes bankrupt, and the democracy loses popular support. A new "benevolant" dictator could step in, with widespread popular support at first for making the tough decisions needed for national survival (getting rid of welfare, medicare, social security, letting old people starve to death, genocide/deportation for illegal immigrants and minorities, etc.). With any luck, conditions later on will again become right for a new democracy to emerge, by popular demand.
I suppose there's no reason for capitalism to come to an end in the US, though.
"has unfortunately shown to be strongly anti-democratic at some point in recent history, where the US still represents capitalism and democracy, helping bring both to many countries of the world."
On what planet do you live? Your president was not even democratically elected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000
>In the American system of presidential elections, the electoral vote determines the winner, and Bush won this count, although Gore received more votes (called the "popular vote"). This was the fourth time in American history that a candidate won the presidency without receiving a plurality of the popular vote; it also happened in the elections of 1824, 1876 and 1888.<
"popular vote" is democracy, electoral vote is conspiracy, corruption and fraud!
On what planet do you live? Your president was not even democratically elected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000
>In the American system of presidential elections, the electoral vote determines the winner, and Bush won this count, although Gore received more votes (called the "popular vote"). This was the fourth time in American history that a candidate won the presidency without receiving a plurality of the popular vote; it also happened in the elections of 1824, 1876 and 1888.<
"popular vote" is democracy, electoral vote is conspiracy, corruption and fraud!
Skippy : « I'm going to say the language of democracy is English. »
Ce faisant tu déconsidères l'intégralité de tes propos : tu montres que tu es anglocentré (ce qui est normal) mais incapable de te défaire de cette insuffisance (ce quie st déjà moins normal pour qqn qui prétend discuter sur des sujets tels que les langues et la démocratie).
Skippy : « Every other nation it could have been (Greek, French, Italian, etc.) has unfortunately shown to be strongly anti-democratic at some point in recent history, where the US still represents capitalism and democracy, helping bring both to many countries of the world. »
Je suppose que tu as été victime d'un imposteur et considère cette affirmation comme non avenue, jusqu'à preuve du contraire.
Ce faisant tu déconsidères l'intégralité de tes propos : tu montres que tu es anglocentré (ce qui est normal) mais incapable de te défaire de cette insuffisance (ce quie st déjà moins normal pour qqn qui prétend discuter sur des sujets tels que les langues et la démocratie).
Skippy : « Every other nation it could have been (Greek, French, Italian, etc.) has unfortunately shown to be strongly anti-democratic at some point in recent history, where the US still represents capitalism and democracy, helping bring both to many countries of the world. »
Je suppose que tu as été victime d'un imposteur et considère cette affirmation comme non avenue, jusqu'à preuve du contraire.
I have nothing else to say to this. Ya'll will continue to hate the US and I'll continue to love it, and apparently no amount of screaming on either side is going to change anything.
The poster earlier wasn't me. Yes, I'll continue to love the US despite being a dictatorship.
Everybody in this fucking world hates America and the ignorant Americans. How can we hate a Democracy? There is none! The redneck yanks destabilized the whole world, who are the Americans ? A bunch of losers from all over the world - simply immigrants. A nation of Immigrant colonists with a history of 400 years call themselves Democracy. Wha ha hoo!
Skypi or whatever, You are a truly ignorant, from the land with no history, culture or LANGUAGE (english is not your language)
You better study some history before you 'open your mouth'.
Violation of human rights is a crime
Your global Image is everything but democratic
AMERICA IS MORE FASCIST
read this:
http://oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
Skypi or whatever, You are a truly ignorant, from the land with no history, culture or LANGUAGE (english is not your language)
You better study some history before you 'open your mouth'.
Violation of human rights is a crime
Your global Image is everything but democratic
AMERICA IS MORE FASCIST
read this:
http://oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
MUST SEE:
14 signs of fascism-The USA turning into a fascist country?
made by americans - made in the usa!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAV87X5keQ0
14 signs of fascism-The USA turning into a fascist country?
made by americans - made in the usa!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAV87X5keQ0