Portuguese is spoken in the THIRD WORLD (Terceiro Mundo ) not in CIVILIZED world.
ITS A FACT !!!
ITS A FACT !!!
Which language is more important, French or Spanish?
Ces comparaisons sont ridicules. Je ne suis pas sûr qu'elles émanent d'un lusophone, d'ailleurs. Mais pour contrebalancer les faits :
L'impact du portugais en Europe est faible et beaucoup de Portugais parlent ou comprennent le français.
1 million ½ de personnes parlent français aux États-Unis.
Bien qu'ayant moins de locuteurs maternels à l'échelle mondiale, le français est appris par beaucoup plus de gens que le portugais, et ce dans le monde entier.
Le français est parlé par 120 millions de personnes en Europe, en Amérique (du Nord et du Sud, aux Caraïbes), en Afrique (du Nord et subsaharienne), au Moyen-Orient et en Asie.
La liste des organisations internationales où le français est langue officielle est trop longue pour la citer ici.
Il y a plus de pays ayant le français comme langue officielle ou co-officielle que le portugais :
Belgique (avec le néerlandais* et l'allemand*)
Bénin
Canada (avec l'anglais)
Nouveau-Brunswick (avec l'anglais)
Québec
Nunavut (avec l'anglais et l'inuktitut)
Territoires du Nord-Ouest (avec l'anglais, le chipweyan, le cri, l'esclave du Nord, l'esclave du Sud, le gwich'in, l'inuinnaqtun, l'inuktitut, l'inuvialuktun et le tlicho)
Yukon (avec l'anglais)
Burkina Faso
Burundi (avec le kirundi)
Cameroun (avec l'anglais)
République centrafricaine
Comores (avec l'arabe et le shikomor)
Congo
République démocratique du Congo
Côte-d'Ivoire
Djibouti
France
Gabon
Guinée
Guinée équatoriale (avec l'espagnol)
Haïti (avec le créole haïtien)
Italie (dans le Val-d'Aoste, avec l'italien)
Madagascar (avec le Malgache)
Mali
Maurice (avec l'anglais)
Monaco
Suisse (avec l'allemand, l'italien et le romanche)
Genève, Vaud, Jura, Neuchâtel
Fribourg, Berne, Valais (avec l'allemand)
Sénégal
Tchad
Togo
Rwanda
L'impact du portugais en Europe est faible et beaucoup de Portugais parlent ou comprennent le français.
1 million ½ de personnes parlent français aux États-Unis.
Bien qu'ayant moins de locuteurs maternels à l'échelle mondiale, le français est appris par beaucoup plus de gens que le portugais, et ce dans le monde entier.
Le français est parlé par 120 millions de personnes en Europe, en Amérique (du Nord et du Sud, aux Caraïbes), en Afrique (du Nord et subsaharienne), au Moyen-Orient et en Asie.
La liste des organisations internationales où le français est langue officielle est trop longue pour la citer ici.
Il y a plus de pays ayant le français comme langue officielle ou co-officielle que le portugais :
Belgique (avec le néerlandais* et l'allemand*)
Bénin
Canada (avec l'anglais)
Nouveau-Brunswick (avec l'anglais)
Québec
Nunavut (avec l'anglais et l'inuktitut)
Territoires du Nord-Ouest (avec l'anglais, le chipweyan, le cri, l'esclave du Nord, l'esclave du Sud, le gwich'in, l'inuinnaqtun, l'inuktitut, l'inuvialuktun et le tlicho)
Yukon (avec l'anglais)
Burkina Faso
Burundi (avec le kirundi)
Cameroun (avec l'anglais)
République centrafricaine
Comores (avec l'arabe et le shikomor)
Congo
République démocratique du Congo
Côte-d'Ivoire
Djibouti
France
Gabon
Guinée
Guinée équatoriale (avec l'espagnol)
Haïti (avec le créole haïtien)
Italie (dans le Val-d'Aoste, avec l'italien)
Madagascar (avec le Malgache)
Mali
Maurice (avec l'anglais)
Monaco
Suisse (avec l'allemand, l'italien et le romanche)
Genève, Vaud, Jura, Neuchâtel
Fribourg, Berne, Valais (avec l'allemand)
Sénégal
Tchad
Togo
Rwanda
Guest, that long list does not change the fact that Portuguese is spoken by many, many more people in world than French. Again, as guest correctly pointed out, more people speak Portuguese worldwide than French, German, Italian, Japanese, Russian, and Korean. As for Brazil, its economy is growing by leaps and bounds, especially in the areas of aerospace technology, automotive, computers. In the very near future, Brazil will become an economic power - it has all the necessary resources for that to happen. French is spoken in many countries, yes, but in many of them French is only a co-official language, and the populations of many of those countries are also very small - especially in the French speaking island nations. Guest, tell me of a French only speaking nation that compares to Brazil in terms of geographical size, numbers of speakers, growing economy etc. There is not one. And Portuguese speaking Angola - yes Portuguese is now the national/official language of about 75% of Angolans - is an African giant just waiting to emerge. Like Brazil, it is also very rich in natural resources, and its economy is being bolstered with help from Portugal and Brazil. The undisputable fact is, the numbers of Spanish and Portuguese in the world are increasing at a much faster reate than French speakers. Like it or not, this is a fact! I think it upsets some people that such a small country like Portugal was able to spread its language and culture so far and wide. In case anyone has forgotten, of all the European colonizing nations, Portugal is the one that had the farthest-flung empire in the world. Jorge.
<<Guest, that long list does not change the fact that Portuguese is spoken by many, many more people in world than French.>>
Quality is more important than quantity. France and most of its speakers are influential members of the First World. Whereas the vast majority of Portuguese speakers are Third-Worlders merely struggling to survive. Think about it how many Nobel Prize winners does Brazil have?
<<As for Brazil, its economy is growing by leaps and bounds, especially in the areas of aerospace technology, automotive, computers. In the very near future, Brazil will become an economic power - >>
Prophecies of Brazil’s ascension to developed nation status are as always greatly exaggerated. This has been prophesized about Brazil a million times over the years and it has yet to eventuate and in all likelihood never will. Brazil is incredibly complex nation steeped in racism and corruption which have hindered it from its inception. For it to progress it will have to overcome these major obstacles and if it's history is anything to go by it won't be anytime soon if ever. I imagine you are from Portugal right? I recommend you cease to live vicariously through Brazil in the hope that they will raise the standing of your language. You are only setting yourself up for disappointment and heartbreak. Don’t get me wrong I like Brazil. But it is still very much a third world nation, albeit a large third world nation, and it will probably remain so for at least our life time.
<< it has all the necessary resources for that to happen.>>
Don’t be fooled. Brazil is deceptive in that regard because it owes most of its size to its Amazonian jungles. In any case, Switzerland isn’t particularly a large nation and despite that note how strong and wealthy it is. It is not the resources that the Swiss have at their disposal that have made them successful and rich but their institutions and truly democratic culture.
<< Like it or not, this is a fact! I think it upsets some people that such a small country like Portugal was able to spread its language and culture so far and wide. In case anyone has forgotten, of all the European colonizing nations, Portugal is the one that had the farthest-flung empire in the world. Jorge.>>
Stop living in the past. Believe me few know that Portugal exists much less their so-called historical “achievements”. The Portuguese language flourished at the expense of others not because of any great innate virtue of the Portuguese. In Brazil almost the entire indigenous population were wiped out because they were not immune to diseases brought over from Europe and not because of any brilliant Portuguese military tactical prowess. If anything you should be ashamed of that. Only sadists would find any pride in that.
Quality is more important than quantity. France and most of its speakers are influential members of the First World. Whereas the vast majority of Portuguese speakers are Third-Worlders merely struggling to survive. Think about it how many Nobel Prize winners does Brazil have?
<<As for Brazil, its economy is growing by leaps and bounds, especially in the areas of aerospace technology, automotive, computers. In the very near future, Brazil will become an economic power - >>
Prophecies of Brazil’s ascension to developed nation status are as always greatly exaggerated. This has been prophesized about Brazil a million times over the years and it has yet to eventuate and in all likelihood never will. Brazil is incredibly complex nation steeped in racism and corruption which have hindered it from its inception. For it to progress it will have to overcome these major obstacles and if it's history is anything to go by it won't be anytime soon if ever. I imagine you are from Portugal right? I recommend you cease to live vicariously through Brazil in the hope that they will raise the standing of your language. You are only setting yourself up for disappointment and heartbreak. Don’t get me wrong I like Brazil. But it is still very much a third world nation, albeit a large third world nation, and it will probably remain so for at least our life time.
<< it has all the necessary resources for that to happen.>>
Don’t be fooled. Brazil is deceptive in that regard because it owes most of its size to its Amazonian jungles. In any case, Switzerland isn’t particularly a large nation and despite that note how strong and wealthy it is. It is not the resources that the Swiss have at their disposal that have made them successful and rich but their institutions and truly democratic culture.
<< Like it or not, this is a fact! I think it upsets some people that such a small country like Portugal was able to spread its language and culture so far and wide. In case anyone has forgotten, of all the European colonizing nations, Portugal is the one that had the farthest-flung empire in the world. Jorge.>>
Stop living in the past. Believe me few know that Portugal exists much less their so-called historical “achievements”. The Portuguese language flourished at the expense of others not because of any great innate virtue of the Portuguese. In Brazil almost the entire indigenous population were wiped out because they were not immune to diseases brought over from Europe and not because of any brilliant Portuguese military tactical prowess. If anything you should be ashamed of that. Only sadists would find any pride in that.
La Alianza Portugués-Español pone este idioma en otro nivel superior al Francés.
>>>Mientras las lenguas minoritarias mueren y desaparecen, la popularidad de tres continúa en constante avance. Ellas son el chino, el español y el inglés -primera o segunda lengua de mayor difusión a nivel mundial- en la era de la mundialización, de la Internet y del comercio. La Argentina -en este comienzo de siglo y de milenio- debe fortalecer y esmerarse en la enseñanza del español como legado precioso de nuestros orígenes hispánicos. Nuestra patria es nuestro idioma. El desafío del español hoy no se basa en su defensa como idioma sino en incrementar la posibilidad de su buen uso y en expandir su protagonismo en la Internet. Su buena salud estaría en peligro sólo si la ignorancia y los malos hábitos educativos se apoderan de los países latinoamericanos.<<<
Dentro del español está incluído el portugués... OBVIO!
Dentro del español está incluído el portugués... OBVIO!
It might surprise you to know that Spanish speakers are lining up to learn Portuguese. Yes it's true. In several Spanish speaking countries, Portuguese is now the 2nd language of instruction i.e., Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay etc. It's part of the 'Mercosur' initiative. It's a win, win situation for Spanish and Portuguese speakers. They have the real advantage of learning the other's respective language with relative ease.>>
I’ve talked to a couple of Argentines and Uruguayans about this and according to them this is simply a nice diplomatic gesture and nothing more. Relative few have a genuine interest in learning Portuguese to reasonable level. Most just learn a few basic words and phrases and over time they even forget that.
http://www.ipol.org.br/imprimir.php?cod=38
I don’t get a sense of solidarity from comments made in this article.
And according to a certain Dr. Fischer:
Rio Journal: Too Much English Is Spoken in Brazil, Some Say
<< "Brazil is surrounded by countries that speak Spanish," Dr. Fischer said in an interview with the newsmagazine Veja. "As commercial exchanges and contacts increase," he said, "there will be much pressure" to abandon Portuguese.>>
Of coursed this doesn’t that it will become true.
I’ve talked to a couple of Argentines and Uruguayans about this and according to them this is simply a nice diplomatic gesture and nothing more. Relative few have a genuine interest in learning Portuguese to reasonable level. Most just learn a few basic words and phrases and over time they even forget that.
http://www.ipol.org.br/imprimir.php?cod=38
I don’t get a sense of solidarity from comments made in this article.
And according to a certain Dr. Fischer:
Rio Journal: Too Much English Is Spoken in Brazil, Some Say
<< "Brazil is surrounded by countries that speak Spanish," Dr. Fischer said in an interview with the newsmagazine Veja. "As commercial exchanges and contacts increase," he said, "there will be much pressure" to abandon Portuguese.>>
Of coursed this doesn’t that it will become true.
What's going on? New posts are continually deleted on this thread. Has this board being hacked?
Jorge : je pense que tu n'as pas lu mon message car je n'ai jamais dit qu'il y avait moins de lusophones que de francophones. De la même manière je n'ai jamais dit que le nombre de lusophones diminuait. Ce que j'ai dit, c'est que même avec ces avantages numériques, la lusophonie n'éclipse pas la francophonie ; loin s'en faut ! D'aileurs je peux te citer un pays qui surpasse de loin le Brésil au niveau économique : la France. Et une langue apprise partout dans le monde : le français (2e rang mondial).
@greg
I completely with you. Sadly lusophones are delusional about the international standing of their language, there is no point arguing with them.
I completely with you. Sadly lusophones are delusional about the international standing of their language, there is no point arguing with them.
The Portuguese language is gaining popularity in Africa, Asia, and South America as a second language for study.
Portuguese is with Spanish the fastest growing western language, and, following estimates by UNESCO it is the language with the higher potentiality of growth as an international communication language in Africa (south) and South America. The Portuguese speaking African countries are expected to have a combined population of 83 million by 2050. The language is also starting to gain popularity in Asia, mostly due to East Timor's boost in the number of speakers in the last five years, and Macau is becoming the Chinese Mecca for learning Portuguese, where in early 21st century, the language use was in decline, today it is growing as it became a language for opportunity due to Chinese strategical cooperation with the Portuguese speaking countries.
http://www.answers.com/topic/portuguese-language
Portuguese is with Spanish the fastest growing western language, and, following estimates by UNESCO it is the language with the higher potentiality of growth as an international communication language in Africa (south) and South America. The Portuguese speaking African countries are expected to have a combined population of 83 million by 2050. The language is also starting to gain popularity in Asia, mostly due to East Timor's boost in the number of speakers in the last five years, and Macau is becoming the Chinese Mecca for learning Portuguese, where in early 21st century, the language use was in decline, today it is growing as it became a language for opportunity due to Chinese strategical cooperation with the Portuguese speaking countries.
http://www.answers.com/topic/portuguese-language
Oui mais sur les 83 millions d'habitants en question, tous ne sont pas lusophones.