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"English is based on Latin"
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Why you use the word "italic" instead of "latin"?
Italian has nothing to do with classical latin.
In fact italian derived from vulgar latin, from which emanated all the dialects. Eventually one dialect, the tuscan one, became the main standard italian just because Tuscany was the capital of italian literature.
Italian, for some weird reason, changed all the words according to the accusative case; which is why in italian (unlike latin) all words end with a vowel.
English has 60% of terms and suffix derived from latin.
That's the result of the Battle of Hastings.
Not only Norman words "contaminated" the West Saxon but also turned the English spelling into the unbelievable mess it is nowadays, an unpredictable mixture of Saxon spelling and Norman French spelling, leaving English spelling without rules. That happened because writers and scribes, during the Norman domination that changed the English language forever, tended to write English in a French way.
So English is a combination of latin and german, french and saxon.
What maintained its germanic origin, were mostly suffix and pronouns and adverbs (who, what, where, when, they, for, than, could, should...)
The core of English is Germanic but it has a Romance abstraction layer on top.
<<Why you use the word "italic" instead of "latin"?
Italian has nothing to do with classical latin. >>
'Italic' does not mean "Italian" only. For instance, Latin and the Romance languages belong to the 'Italic' Branch of the Indo-European family.
<<In fact italian derived from vulgar latin, from which emanated all the dialects.>>
Though my jury is still out and it's a moot point to me, not everyone still believes this retelling of events>>
<<English has 60% of terms and suffix derived from latin.
That's the result of the Battle of Hastings. >>
I will give you the 60%, but that is not the result of the Battle of Hastings!
English was latinised much later in the Rebirth Era.
<<That happened because writers and scribes, during the Norman domination that changed the English language forever, tended to write English in a French way. >>
The spelling did change, from a Latin version descended from St Augustine and Old English clergy, to a Norman-Carolingian one developed by Charlemagne and his German co-horts. But the Language was not suddenly "changed forever", it was English before this time and it was English after. In the due course of time, English evolved as all languages do. There was no sudden or abrupt transition of the English language resulting from the Battle of Hastings.
<<So English is a combination of latin and german, french and saxon.
What maintained its germanic origin, were mostly suffix and pronouns and adverbs (who, what, where, when, they, for, than, could, should...) >>
More appropriately, English is a direct descendant of Old English, a Germanic language, and continues the linguistic legacy of that language, with heavy lexical borrowing from French and latinate sources.
"The core of English is Germanic but it has a Romance abstraction layer on top."
Other than a bunch of borrowed vocabulary, no part of english is latin. English is a very germanic language.
English is a very germanic language.
It's so Germanic that 66% of vocabulary is Latin or French.
Woozle : « Plus, the French grammar has also been heavily influenced by Germanic languages. »
Je suppose que tu as des exemples en abondance à nous fournir... Vas-y, ne te gêne surtout pas : nous sommes tout ouïe !
Borrowed vocabulary has little to no effect on the character of a language.
I think that the Roman invasion of Britain two thousand years ago was the best thing that ever happened to this country - as I've said before in this Forum it set the foundation for our development as a civilised nation over all the succeeeding centuries following the Roman departure in 410AD.
The Latin Language had an enormous influence on the later development of the English Language, which accounts for why so many words we use on an every day basis have their origins in Latin. As this country later became a predominantly Roman Catholic country (until the Reformation of the 16th century that is) Latin was the Language of the Mass, and as I am actually a Roman Catholic myself I still enjoy the use of Latin in that respect although it is no longer used officially.
The very name of this country - Britain - originates from the Roman term for this island - Britannia. Likewise all the names they gave to all their serttlements here and which later became towns and cities with Anglicised names. For example, what we now call the city of York the Romans called Ebor. Lincoln was Lindum, Chester was Deva - and of course, London was Londinium. All of these names still survive in so many ways - wander around the mediaeval streets of York, for instance, and you will see many places, be they tearooms or restaurants or any other kind of establishment, bearing the name of Ebor in their title.....it's their very own possession given to them by the Romans, and not borrowed form anywhere else!
Britain owes those Romans a great deal in so many ways. Wandering the length of Hadrian's Wall, for instance, is one very enjoyable experience, and the name given to that fortress and settlement still surviving today much as it was 2k years ago and with the same name still - Vindolanda - conjures up so many images in your mind simply by being there. To think the Romans built that wall purely as a means of keeping the heathens of what is now Scotland at bay is mind boggling. It doesn't seem to work any more though.
The Roman invasion of Great Britain was rather superficial and didn't have profound consquences for this country. Latin never became the language of the British masses and Celtic tongues instead remained as the vernacular language of those people until the last Roman soldier left the island. The Romans didn't shape the English culture unlike in the case of France or Italy. In my opinion the most important thing that happened to Great Britain was the Norman invasion. They were the true "Romans" for the English, but 1000 years later. They carried a superior Latin culture that had enormous impact on a rural and backward country. Latin words in English entered after the Norman invasion and the establishment of Christianism as the official religion. Clerics were given lots of land and began an intense cultural activity in the English monasteries built by the Normans.
<<The Roman invasion of Great Britain was rather superficial and didn't have profound consquences for this country. >>
I agree with this statement. This would like the Iraqis 1000 years from now claiming they were of American blood and linguistic descent just because we occupied the territory of Iraq in 2003-2008. It's a pipe dream.
<<They were the true "Romans" for the English, but 1000 years later. >>
Normans can hardly be called "Romans", even today!
<<They carried a superior Latin culture that had enormous impact on a rural and backward country.>>
They carried a Fuedalistic and Germanic culture that was over-imposed upon the occupants of a Romanized fringe settlement of former barbarians and crazed madmen (cf Vercingetorix). Anglo-Saxon culture was arguably only slightly less advanced than that of Normandy.
<<Latin words in English entered after the Norman invasion and the establishment of Christianism as the official religion. >>
Wrong. Christendom was bequoth to England by St Augustine. Ango-Saxons were the greatest Missionaries to the other Germans (Frisians, Germans, Saxons, Scandinavians).
The Roman name for York was not Ebor.
Chester is not an anglicised version of Deva.
Britain does not originate in the Roman term.
The people above the wall cannot be called heathen, because the people below the wall were not Christian.
The Romans did not depart in 410.
The influence of Latin does not account for why so many English words have their origins in Latin. That is like saying the influence of Latin accounts for the influence of Latin.
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