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The difference(s) between Old Dutch and Old Frankish
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I guess that French word "pigeon" is not from Latin's "pipionem" (chirping bird) or "pipio" (chirping bird). The "pigeon" may be a Frankish word or other ancient languages.
French: pigeon
English: pigeon
Hokkienese: chinn-a (rock pigeon, domestic pigeon, homing pigeon, feral pigeon)
The French word "pigeon" is consisted of two syllables; "pi" and "geon". In Hokkienese the "pi" (phi) means "little", "small", etc., "geon" (chinn; chi + nn: nn = nasalisation) which means "young people who has not social experience" etc.
You can see the male pigeons always falling in love with their female partners in the squares, streets or top of houses; they dance and chirping that scenes are very similar the young people falling in love. The word pigeon coming from the meaning of "young people" (chinn-a; peh-oe-ji) is reasonable and romantic than Latin's "pipionem" or "pipio".
reference:
[edit] Etymology
Old French pijon, from Late Latin pipionem (“‘chirping bird’”), accusative form of Latin pipio (“‘chirping bird’”), from pipire (“‘to chirp’”).
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pigeon)
<<Let us compare this list about "dove" in the following languages.
(a).
Hokkienese: ka-chui, chui, (spotted dove, rufous turtle dove, red turtle dove.)
Dutch: duif,
Danish: due,
(b).
Gothic: dubo,
Old Saxon: dūba,
Old High German: tūba,
Old Norse: dúfa,
(c).
German: taube,
English: dove,
The (a). Dutch word "duif" is seem older than (b). Old Saxon word "dūba". In Hokkienese word "chui" can pronounce as "tui" (dui) in some accents. Did any person can provides the "dove" in Frankish? >>
minstrel,
less phantasies,more historical sources please.
Dutch word "duif" is seem older than Old Saxon "dûba", "dûfa " ( http://www.northvegr.org/lore/latinsaxon/c.php) only for you."Dove" in Old Frankish is "duva" (http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/will028verh01_01/will028verh01_01_0003.php) :
"Algaro, allegaer, allzugar.
Arbeydan, arbeyden, arbeiten.
Bevan, beéven, beben.
Biddon, bidden, bitten.
Bitterheyd, bitterheyd, bitterkeit.
Biudan, bieden, bieten.
Bowan, bouwen, bauen.
Breydan, breyden, breiten.
Brutigomo, bruydegom, braeutigam.
Buosum, boezem, busen.
Buren, beuren, opbeuren, echeben.
Camara, kamer, kammer.
Cribbon, kribbe, krippe.
Cruce, kruys, kreutz.
Cunni, kunne, geschlecht.
Cuomst, komst, ankunfft.
Dala, dal, thal.
Deilan, deylen, theilen.
Deran, deêren, (nocere) schaden.
Dugethe, deugd, tugend.
Diuval, duyvel, teusel.
Dohtor, dochter, tochter.
Dooth, dood, tod.
Dure, deure, thuere.
Duva, duyve, taube.
Dypa, diepte, tiesfe.
Eischan, eysschen, sordern.
Gihengan, gehengen, erlauben.
Haveco, havik, habicht.
Helle, helle, hoelle.
Hoyved, hoofd, haupt.
Hudan, hoeden, hueten.
Hus, huys, oudtyds huus, haus.
Huvele, heuvel, huegel.
Kalves, kalf, kalb.
Kelik, kelk, kelch.
Kuning, koning, koenig.
Laghta, laegte, tiefe.
Lichamon, lichaem, leichnam.
Maara, maere, maere.
Mano, maend, mond.
Quelan, kwellen, plagen.
Restan, rusten, ruhen.
Rihduom, rykdom, reichthum.
Salva, zalve, salbe.
Samanunga, zamening, sammlung.
Scada, schaduw, schatten.
Sconheyd, schoonheyd, schoenheit "
About "Migration Period":
"Migration Period (350 - 550 A.D.)
For two centuries (350 - 550 A.D.) the tide of the Migration of Nations sweeps over Europe. Germanic tribes migrate all over Western Europe after the collapse of the Roman Empire. Thereby forming new tribes in the newly conquered areas, and for the first time large organized Germanic states. In Europe the major Germanic states were the Jutish, Saxon, Anglo-Saxon, Frankish, Burgondish, West-Gothic, East-Gothic, Vandal and Frisian."
"Around 480 A.D. Clovis establishes the Frankish Empire (currently known as France). As said before the Frankish tribe originated from the Chaukans and Frisians.
http://www.boudicca.de/frisian1.htm
There is nothing about "Dutch".
"Around 480 A.D. Clovis establishes the Frankish Empire (currently known as France). As said before the Frankish tribe originated from the Chaukans and Frisians."
The Latin literatures recorded about Germanic tribes that started from the times of 350 A.D. (Migration Period 350 A.D. - 550 A.D.)
The Frankish tribe appeared before 3800 years ago, but Frisians was just established before 3000 years ago.
<<The Frankish tribe appeared before 3800 years ago...>>
What literatures recorded about this fact?
umm.. there's absolutely no relation between germanic languages and chinese languages like hokkienese other than the fact that they both originally had ancestors that came out of africa at some point lol. any similarity is pure coincidence. i have spoken.
crazy mofos
> wtf Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:46 pm GMT
umm.. there's absolutely no relation between germanic languages and chinese languages like hokkienese other than the fact that they both originally had ancestors that came out of africa at some point lol. any similarity is pure coincidence. i have spoken.
crazy mofos <
the gar-dena tribe sent a german (rapid react corps) leaving the earth of sunrise before 2700 years ago. some germanic languages and hokkienese are come from gar-dena. the germanic languages adopted the latinization in europe and hokkienese adopted the sinification in asia. so, there are the most different between in these languages.
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French / Hokkienese:
ange / ang (male god, male dancer, soldier, hero, husband), ang-kong (hero, the father of heroes)
coq / koe-kak, koe-khok
coteau / soann-khok (the upper part of mountain)
The words of ange, coq and coteau may be Frankish. The French word "co teau" have the meaning of "upper part of mountain" in Hokkienese syllables.
<<I guess that French word "pigeon" is not from Latin's "pipionem" (chirping bird) or "pipio" (chirping bird). The "pigeon" may be a Frankish word or other ancient languages.>>
And you know this bewhys?
> Doveshit Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:03 pm GMT
<<I guess that French word "pigeon" is not from Latin's "pipionem" (chirping bird) or "pipio" (chirping bird). The "pigeon" may be a Frankish word or other ancient languages.>>
> And you know this be whys?
You could say about your opinions for people.
minstrel what drugs are you taking, cuz i want some of that
rep,
Did you talking about the Gudrun lied ?
No , I didn't. Anyway, Gudrun lied is Middle High German epic. Dutch belongs to Low German varieties.
haþuþȳwas ann kusjam logūns
rep,
What are the difference between Middle High German and Burgundian? The "story of Gudrunlied" is belong to Burgundian or Dutch? Is Gudrun a female name in modern Dutch or Germany?
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