Spanish in Europe

Franck   Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:42 pm GMT
What the hell are you talking Franco.

Russian and Italian are the fourth and fifth most popular and studied foreign language in Germany after English, French, and Latin. Spanish will never be as popular as those five languages because of the great impact of the five.

Italian is more popular than Spanish in Germany as much as German is more popular in Italy than Spanish because of the huge influences of the two nationalities to each other. Spanish is irrelevant to them. Try talking in Spanish to a German and the latter would reply in Italian thinking that you're speaking in Italian.

As for Sweden, Spanish became half as popular as French because of the popular belief that Spanish is easier. Well think again those 11% French speaking Swedes speak the language perfectly and maybe as their secondary language. Swedes with French first names attest that they speak French well. The more that 80% English speaking Swedes speak English at a very basic level and regard it as an acquired tongue not as secondary. The "6% Spanish speaking Swedes" are those who are lazy in learning a foreign language so they opted for Spanish because you can pass Spanish as a foreign language subject because there are no strict rules even if they speak it with bad grammar. After passing the subject they tend to forgot Spanish.

I guess that the Hispanics are confident that Spanish has become too important when in reality it's not and discretely admit that French and German are still more popular than their language.

In the next 30 years, the interest about Spanish language will fade as people realize that there are languages that are more useful and practical.

BTW, the French speakers in Eastern Europe speak it as a second language that's why all them have the desire to be part of the La Francophonie even if it's just observer status. Now that what you call a meritous achievement which Spanish language doesn't have and not even English.

The languages that belong to higher echelon are English, French, German, Russian, and Italian on the merit of their achievements in culture, science, arts, medicine, technology, etc. something that Spanish language lacks. Spanish just relies on the huge number speakers and number of countries where it's spoken, true. But French also has that although the number of native speakers is 1/3 of that of Spanish. But it has been proven that French secondary speakers are not just restricted to Francophone Africa but also in Eastern Europe, Anglo-Africa and even Asia though fewer than those who took speak English. You cannot find secondary English speakers in non-traditional Anglophone countries in Eastern Europe, Francophone Africa, or Asia (except, Philippines, Singapore, and HK) where English is spoken as acquired tongue.
Italmany   Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:59 pm GMT
Italians and Germans admire each others' language and culture that's why they have huge influences to each other and besides their history parallels each other.

Both countries became unified in the late 19th century and manufacturers of high quality products such as automobile like Porsche and Ferrari.

Italians look up to German for technical matters while Germans look up to Italians when it comes to arts which makes German and Italian languages important to Germany and Italy respectively. Italian is also more popular in Austria than Spanish.

Germans admire the French language, culture, and achievements too and that's the main reason why French is second to English in Germany and number 1 in Saarland.

If there is the reason why English is number 1 in Germany it's because of the US and nothing else.

There's a very ties between Germany and Spain except for the Hapsburg lineage.
Ren   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:04 pm GMT
Secondary Italian speakers in Europe: 3%

Secondary Spanish spakers in Europe: 6%


Eastern Europe... secondary French speakers in Poland: 3%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_European_Union

People study French in Sweden because it is considered by superficial people the language of love but they don't make the effort to speak it correctly. They just drop some drops here and there to sound sophisticatedand nothing else. On the other hand Spanish speakers in Sweden are more serious at learning foreign languages and have very good level of Spanish, not to mention the Swedes of Chilean origin who speak Spanish natively.


I guess that the Francophones are confident that French has become too important when in reality it's not and discretely admit that Spanish and German are still more popular than their language.

In the next 30 years, the interest about French language will fade as people realize that there are languages that are more useful and practical.

BTW, the Spanish speakers in Eastern Europe speak it as a second language that's why all them have the desire to be members in Ibero-American summits even if it's just observer status. Now that what you call a meritous achievement which French language doesn't have and not even English.

The languages that belong to higher echelon are English, Spanish German, Russian, and Italian on the merit of their achievements in culture, science, arts, medicine, technology, etc. something that Spanish language lacks. Spanish just relies on the huge number speakers and number of countries where it's spoken, true. But Spanish also has that although the number of native speakers is 1/3 of that of English But it has been proven that Spanish secondary speakers are not just restricted to Hispanophone America but also in Eastern Europe, Anglo-Africa and even Asia though fewer than those who took speak English. You cannot find secondary English speakers in non-traditional Anglophone countries in Eastern Europe, Francophone Africa, or Asia (except, Philippines, Singapore, and HK) where English is spoken as acquired tongue.
Italmany   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:05 pm GMT
<< There's a very ties between Germany and Spain except for the Hapsburg lineage. >>

Erratum: There's a very weak ties between Germany and Spain except for the Hapsburg lineage.
Penetra   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:11 pm GMT
<< Secondary Italian speakers in Europe: 3%

Secondary Spanish spakers in Europe: 6%


Eastern Europe... secondary French speakers in Poland: 3%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_European_Union

People study French in Sweden because it is considered by superficial people the language of love but they don't make the effort to speak it correctly. They just drop some words here and there to sound sophisticatedand nothing else. On the other hand Spanish speakers in Sweden are more serious at learning foreign languages and have very good level of Spanish, not to mention the Swedes of Chilean origin who speak Spanish natively.


I guess that the Francophones are confident that French has become too important when in reality it's not and discretely admit that Spanish and German are still more popular than their language.

In the next 30 years, the interest about French language will fade as people realize that there are languages that are more useful and practical.

BTW, the Spanish speakers in Eastern Europe speak it as a second language that's why all them have the desire to be members in Ibero-American summits even if it's just observer status. Now that what you call a meritous achievement which French language doesn't have and not even English.

The languages that belong to higher echelon are English, Spanish German, Russian, and Italian on the merit of their achievements in culture, science, arts, medicine, technology, etc. something that Spanish language lacks. Spanish just relies on the huge number speakers and number of countries where it's spoken, true. But Spanish also has that although the number of native speakers is 1/3 of that of English But it has been proven that Spanish secondary speakers are not just restricted to Hispanophone America but also in Eastern Europe, Anglo-Africa and even Asia though fewer than those who took speak English. You cannot find secondary English speakers in non-traditional Anglophone countries in Eastern Europe, Francophone Africa, or Asia (except, Philippines, Singapore, and HK) where English is spoken as acquired tongue.

>>

Europe does not determine the importance of a language at a global level. East Asia and Americas do. Precissely it's Europe the continent where French is spoken most.
Erratum   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:13 pm GMT
<<

Erratum: There's a very weak ties between Germany and Spain except for the Hapsburg lineage.


>>

Fool, it's Habsburg, not "Hapsburg".
Ner   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:14 pm GMT
People study Spanish in Sweden because it is considered by superficial people the language of people who breed like rabbits but they don't make the effort to speak it correctly. They just drop some drops here and there to sound noisy and nothing else. On the other hand French speakers in Sweden are more serious at learning foreign languages and have very good level of French, not to mention the Swedes of Belgian origin who speak French natively.

The German are crazy about French. Spanish will never be a fourth as popular. Considering France shares border with Germany unlike Spain, the growing popularity of French in Germany is a big achievement and much more meritous than teaching of Spanish . The same happens in Sweden, Frenchis surprisingly quite popular there but unlike Spanish, it is a first tier foreign language in schools and universities unlike Spanish. I guess that the Hispanics are implicitly recognising their irrelevance when they compare their language with a second tier one like French instead of English. Within the next 30 years , as they will be unable to compete against French either, their next rival will be Hindi or Swahili.

In the next 30 years, the interest about Spanish language will fade as people realize that there are languages that are more useful and practical.

BTW, the French speakers in Eastern Europe speak it as a second language that's why all them have the desire to be part of the La Francophonie even if it's just observer status. Now that what you call a meritous achievement which Spanish language doesn't have and not even English.

The languages that belong to higher echelon are English, French, German, Russian, and Italian on the merit of their achievements in culture, science, arts, medicine, technology, etc. something that Spanish language lacks. Spanish just relies on the huge number speakers and number of countries where it's spoken, true. But French also has that although the number of native speakers is 1/3 of that of Spanish. But it has been proven that French secondary speakers are not just restricted to Francophone Africa but also in Eastern Europe, Anglo-Africa and even Asia though fewer than those who took speak English. You cannot find secondary English speakers in non-traditional Anglophone countries in Eastern Europe, Francophone Africa, or Asia (except, Philippines, Singapore, and HK) where English is spoken as acquired tongue.
Ren   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:19 pm GMT
Penetre   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:20 pm GMT
East Asia does determine the importance of a language at a global level. Europe, Africa and Americas do. Precisely it's Hispanic America where Spanish is spoken most.

Penetra, thanks for showing that you're hispanic disguising as lussophone.
Penetra   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:21 pm GMT
I'm Brazilian, but yes, you can consider Brazilians as Hispanics. We are members of the same family.
Ner   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:24 pm GMT
<< Spanish is more popular than French in Iceland too:

Only backward countries in Europe like Romania study French.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:WkJXFF6HudEJ:cvc.cervantes.es/lengua/anuario/anuario_06-07/pdf/paises_53.pdf+espa%C3%B1ol+en+Islandia&hl=es&gl=es&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESimsmkapMK8m7yJld-YH4eZISTtiDGJI08RXxKU9WuYYim6Gw9eRysHE-p5k8OKZXNB-mJ7bxvU_x8bfcKiWRaBbB5L3LJs65Afu2i4_sq9jJyUJGgkLInQvj9nNnnRcOAaYAc8&sig=AHIEtbTB26pxnTyCSjnf7xJipMKzcnHWHA >>

Iceland has regress for opting for Spanish. Iceland's population is barekly 350,000. They're ignorant and gullible to believe that Spanish is more important than French.

French is much popular in Eastern Europe that it is even integrated in school curricula, Russia, Mongolia, China, Japan, India, Anglophone Africa, Israel, etc.

Spanish is more popular than French in US and Iceland.

In Brazil, it has to be determined first.
Penetre   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:25 pm GMT
<< I'm Brazilian, but yes, you can consider Brazilians as Hispanics. We are members of the same family. >>

Yes you're a Brazilian of Spanish extraction that's why you belong to Hispanic family.
Penetra   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:29 pm GMT
I'm of Portuguese extraction but Portugal is part of Hispania hence I'm Hispanic .

Hispania

http://perso.wanadoo.es/pcolmenero/2bachhis/imageneshis/hispania02.PNG

We the Hispanics breed like Rabbits because the Rabbits are native to Hispania, which includes Portugal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oryctolagus_cuniculus_distribution_Map.png
Pentra   Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:11 pm GMT
Brazilians prefer Spanish over English :



El interés que despierta este idioma es, desde años antes de esta ley, innegable: el 80% de los colegios privados ofrecen ya español,[2] y cerca del 80% de los alumnos prefiere estudiar español antes que inglés ,[3] lo que se ha traducido en que en las universidades la petición del español supere ya al inglés.[4] Parece que esta oferta obligatoria por parte de los institutos se limitará a satisfacer esa «hambre de español» del que se habla en Brasil.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_del_espa%C3%B1ol#cite_note-2
Ren   Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:44 pm GMT
Some idiot is using my name and posting idiotic shit