LAA cherche en vain a (se) prouver que la culture, la langue et les peuple Espagnol et Italien sont beaucoup plus proches entre eux que le Français, qui selon lui serait au sein de la famille latine aussi distinct que la culture Anglaise au sein des cultures Germaniques.
Lexical similarities between French-Spanish-Italian
Buenos dias (SP.) -->
Buon giorno / buon dì (IT), both very used
"Dì" is the italian word coming from latin "dies"
Buon giorno / buon dì (IT), both very used
"Dì" is the italian word coming from latin "dies"
No one has every said "buon dì" to me. It's "buon giorno" or "buona giornata". Maybe it's used in the South, but since I don't know it wwell, I can't say.
However, dì as in "day" can be prevalently seen in the days of the week - lunedì (Monday), martedì (Tuesday), miercoledì (Wednesday), giovedì (Thursday), and venerdì (Friday)
However, dì as in "day" can be prevalently seen in the days of the week - lunedì (Monday), martedì (Tuesday), miercoledì (Wednesday), giovedì (Thursday), and venerdì (Friday)
Italian is such a beautiful language. I would learn it one day if it were more practical from a business perspective.
So, have any of you answered the question? You could respond as to which is closer to Italian, and I won't say a peep back. I'm just interested in getting your opinion on the matter.
So, have any of you answered the question? You could respond as to which is closer to Italian, and I won't say a peep back. I'm just interested in getting your opinion on the matter.
Olà Tiffany
Strange, because I am from north italy and I use buondì more often than buon giorno. Most of all in informal context.
Other examples used: una volta al dì, ogni dì..
But there are other examples..
but if you take the single words dì and giorno, surely the most used is giorno
Strange, because I am from north italy and I use buondì more often than buon giorno. Most of all in informal context.
Other examples used: una volta al dì, ogni dì..
But there are other examples..
but if you take the single words dì and giorno, surely the most used is giorno
About the languages
italian is closer to french when you read it.
Italian is closer to spanish when you speak it.
Italian and french share more common words.
Culturally
France,
fashion,
perfume,
ine cuisine (chefs only exist in Italy, France and Japan), Sommelier Italy and France are the only country who think about the wine which must be drunk with the meal,
the italians and french are more formal+
Neighbours
Many french personnalities are in fact italians or from italian origins: Lino Ventura, Michel Platini, Yves Montand, Michel Colucci (aka Coluche), Serge Reggiani, Hugo Tognazzi, Napoleone Buonaparte (Napoléon Bonaparte was from Toscan Descent), Garibaldi was "niçois" (born and grew up in Nices)..
Common gestures with their hands.
Special relations all along their history
Italian is spoken in some french areas.
Many 2nd italian actors are familiar to the french.
....
on the other hand
Spanish and french (south) have corridas
Religious fiestas (like Italy too)
neighbours
Catalan and basque cultures shared in the 2 countries.
italian is closer to french when you read it.
Italian is closer to spanish when you speak it.
Italian and french share more common words.
Culturally
France,
fashion,
perfume,
ine cuisine (chefs only exist in Italy, France and Japan), Sommelier Italy and France are the only country who think about the wine which must be drunk with the meal,
the italians and french are more formal+
Neighbours
Many french personnalities are in fact italians or from italian origins: Lino Ventura, Michel Platini, Yves Montand, Michel Colucci (aka Coluche), Serge Reggiani, Hugo Tognazzi, Napoleone Buonaparte (Napoléon Bonaparte was from Toscan Descent), Garibaldi was "niçois" (born and grew up in Nices)..
Common gestures with their hands.
Special relations all along their history
Italian is spoken in some french areas.
Many 2nd italian actors are familiar to the french.
....
on the other hand
Spanish and french (south) have corridas
Religious fiestas (like Italy too)
neighbours
Catalan and basque cultures shared in the 2 countries.
http://www.ambafrance-us.org/news/briefing/us090606.asp#2
Italy is France’s second leading trade partner, and we are Italy’s second leading trade partner. Mutual investments are on a par with trade, with 21.6 billion euros in French investment in Italy and 18.6 billion euros in Italian investments in France
That means they are able to make business mutually intelligible
Italy is France’s second leading trade partner, and we are Italy’s second leading trade partner. Mutual investments are on a par with trade, with 21.6 billion euros in French investment in Italy and 18.6 billion euros in Italian investments in France
That means they are able to make business mutually intelligible
I like to compare the day names in langauges :
It- Lunedi
Fr- Lundi
Es- Lunes
En- Monday
Ge- Montag
It- Martedi
Fr- Mardi
Es- Martes
En- Tuesday
Ge- Dienstag
It- Mercoledi
Fr- Mercredi
Es- Miercoles
En- Wednesday
Ge- Mittwoch
It- Giovedi
Fr- Jeudi
Es- Jueves
En- Thursday
Ge- Donnerstag
It- Veneredi
Fr- Vendredi
Es- Viernes
En- Friday
Ge- Freitag
It- Lunedi
Fr- Lundi
Es- Lunes
En- Monday
Ge- Montag
It- Martedi
Fr- Mardi
Es- Martes
En- Tuesday
Ge- Dienstag
It- Mercoledi
Fr- Mercredi
Es- Miercoles
En- Wednesday
Ge- Mittwoch
It- Giovedi
Fr- Jeudi
Es- Jueves
En- Thursday
Ge- Donnerstag
It- Veneredi
Fr- Vendredi
Es- Viernes
En- Friday
Ge- Freitag
Ciao Gatusso,
Where in Italy are you from? My experience in Italy is with the North-Central West. Mostly Tuscany and Liguria. Some Veneto.
LAA,
I cannot answer your question, as I am biased. I speak both Italian and Spanish and of course, phonetically, think Italian and Spanish are closer than say, Italian and French.
Learning Italian, however, helped me to begin reading French, which I could not do as well when I knew only Spanish.
I can still read both Italian and Spanish better than I can read French.
Where in Italy are you from? My experience in Italy is with the North-Central West. Mostly Tuscany and Liguria. Some Veneto.
LAA,
I cannot answer your question, as I am biased. I speak both Italian and Spanish and of course, phonetically, think Italian and Spanish are closer than say, Italian and French.
Learning Italian, however, helped me to begin reading French, which I could not do as well when I knew only Spanish.
I can still read both Italian and Spanish better than I can read French.
I think, from a strictly lexical point of view, that Italian and French are closer.
But one must consider the drastic differences in spelling and pronounciation of words in French and Italian which share the same origin.
Take the French word, Ami.
Italian - Amico
Spanish - Amigo
The French and Italian word are the same, and of the same origin, but how many people would know they were essentially the same word? Whereas the Spanish and Italian words are nearly identical.
So, that's why I say Italian is much closer to Spanish, despite the greater lexical diviance of Spanish.
Read my story in the "Spanish is the most beautiful of all Languages" thread. It should be one of the last posts in that thread.
But one must consider the drastic differences in spelling and pronounciation of words in French and Italian which share the same origin.
Take the French word, Ami.
Italian - Amico
Spanish - Amigo
The French and Italian word are the same, and of the same origin, but how many people would know they were essentially the same word? Whereas the Spanish and Italian words are nearly identical.
So, that's why I say Italian is much closer to Spanish, despite the greater lexical diviance of Spanish.
Read my story in the "Spanish is the most beautiful of all Languages" thread. It should be one of the last posts in that thread.
"Read my story in the "Spanish is the most beautiful of all Languages" thread. It should be one of the last posts in that thread."
Scratch that. I meant to direct you to the "The figure for the distance of Romanian from Latin" thread.
Scratch that. I meant to direct you to the "The figure for the distance of Romanian from Latin" thread.
Newly added, "LOGUDORESE"
Italian- Lunedi
French- Lundi
Espanol- Lunes
Logudorese-lunis (pronounced as 'lunes')
English- Monday
German- Montag
Italian- Martedi
French- Mardi
Logudorese- martis
Espanol- Martes
English- Tuesday
German- Dienstag
Italian- Mercoledi
French- Mercredi
Logudorese-mercules
Espanol- Miercoles
English- Wednesday
German- Mittwoch
Italian- Giovedi
French- Jeudi
Espanol- Jueves
Logudorese- yobia
English- Thursday
German- Donnerstag
Italian- Veneredi
French- Vendredi
Espanol- Viernes
Logudorese-Vernes/vernos
English- Friday
German- Freitag
Italian- Lunedi
French- Lundi
Espanol- Lunes
Logudorese-lunis (pronounced as 'lunes')
English- Monday
German- Montag
Italian- Martedi
French- Mardi
Logudorese- martis
Espanol- Martes
English- Tuesday
German- Dienstag
Italian- Mercoledi
French- Mercredi
Logudorese-mercules
Espanol- Miercoles
English- Wednesday
German- Mittwoch
Italian- Giovedi
French- Jeudi
Espanol- Jueves
Logudorese- yobia
English- Thursday
German- Donnerstag
Italian- Veneredi
French- Vendredi
Espanol- Viernes
Logudorese-Vernes/vernos
English- Friday
German- Freitag
Grazie per l'elenco, Aldvs. Not to seem uptight, but for sake of accuracy, but "Friday" is spelt wrong in Italian. The rest are missing accents, which isn't much, but thought I'd write them out for you. You can include them if you care to.
Lunedì
Martedì
Mercoledì
Giovedì
Venerdì
Lunedì
Martedì
Mercoledì
Giovedì
Venerdì
Grec — Δευτέρα
Italian- Lunedi
French- lundi
Wallon — londi
Picard — lundi
Poitevin — léndi
Piedmontais — lùnes - lunes
Occitan — diluns
Gascon — diluns
Médiolatin — secunda feria
Espanol- Lunes
Logudorese-lunis (pronounced as 'lunes')
English- Monday
German- Montag
Grec — Τρίτη
Italian- Martedi
French- mardi
Wallon — mårdi
Picard — mardi
Poitevin — mardi
Piedmontais — màrtes - merco
Occitan — dimarç
Gascon — dimarç
Médiolatin — tertia feria
Logudorese- martis
Espanol- Martes
English- Tuesday
German- Dienstag
Grec — Τετάρτη
Italian- Mercoledi
French- mercredi
Wallon — mèrkidi
Picard — mékerdi
Poitevin — mécrdi
Piedmontais — mèrcol
Occitan — dimècres
Médiolatin — quarta feria
Gascon — dimèrcs
Logudorese-mercules
Espanol- Miercoles
English- Wednesday
German- Mittwoch
Grec — Πέμπτη
Italian- Giovedi
French- jeudi
Wallon — djudi
Picard — juédi - judi
Poitevin — jheùdi
Piedmontais — giòbia
Occitan — dijòus
Gascon — dijaus
Médiolatin — quinta feria
Espanol- Jueves
Logudorese- yobia
English- Thursday
German- Donnerstag
Grec — Παρασκευή
Italian- Venerdi
French- vendredi
Wallon — vindèrdi
Picard — verdi
Poitevin — vendrdi
Piedmontais — vënner
Occitan — divendres
Gascon — diveis
Médiolatin — sexta feria
Espanol- Viernes
Logudorese-Vernes/vernos
English- Friday
German- Freitag
Grec — Σάββατο
Italien — sabato
Français — samedi
Wallon — sèmedi
Picard — sinmdi
Poitevin — semadi - sénmedi
Piedmontais — saba
Occitan — dissabte
Gascon — dissabte
Médiolatin — sabbatum
Grec — Κυριακή
Italien — domenica
Français — dimanche
Wallon — dimègne
Picard — diminche
Poitevin — dimenche
Piedmontais — duminica
Occitan — dimenge
Gascon — dimenge
Médiolatin — dominica dies
Italian- Lunedi
French- lundi
Wallon — londi
Picard — lundi
Poitevin — léndi
Piedmontais — lùnes - lunes
Occitan — diluns
Gascon — diluns
Médiolatin — secunda feria
Espanol- Lunes
Logudorese-lunis (pronounced as 'lunes')
English- Monday
German- Montag
Grec — Τρίτη
Italian- Martedi
French- mardi
Wallon — mårdi
Picard — mardi
Poitevin — mardi
Piedmontais — màrtes - merco
Occitan — dimarç
Gascon — dimarç
Médiolatin — tertia feria
Logudorese- martis
Espanol- Martes
English- Tuesday
German- Dienstag
Grec — Τετάρτη
Italian- Mercoledi
French- mercredi
Wallon — mèrkidi
Picard — mékerdi
Poitevin — mécrdi
Piedmontais — mèrcol
Occitan — dimècres
Médiolatin — quarta feria
Gascon — dimèrcs
Logudorese-mercules
Espanol- Miercoles
English- Wednesday
German- Mittwoch
Grec — Πέμπτη
Italian- Giovedi
French- jeudi
Wallon — djudi
Picard — juédi - judi
Poitevin — jheùdi
Piedmontais — giòbia
Occitan — dijòus
Gascon — dijaus
Médiolatin — quinta feria
Espanol- Jueves
Logudorese- yobia
English- Thursday
German- Donnerstag
Grec — Παρασκευή
Italian- Venerdi
French- vendredi
Wallon — vindèrdi
Picard — verdi
Poitevin — vendrdi
Piedmontais — vënner
Occitan — divendres
Gascon — diveis
Médiolatin — sexta feria
Espanol- Viernes
Logudorese-Vernes/vernos
English- Friday
German- Freitag
Grec — Σάββατο
Italien — sabato
Français — samedi
Wallon — sèmedi
Picard — sinmdi
Poitevin — semadi - sénmedi
Piedmontais — saba
Occitan — dissabte
Gascon — dissabte
Médiolatin — sabbatum
Grec — Κυριακή
Italien — domenica
Français — dimanche
Wallon — dimègne
Picard — diminche
Poitevin — dimenche
Piedmontais — duminica
Occitan — dimenge
Gascon — dimenge
Médiolatin — dominica dies