French is not an international language!!!!!!

mark   Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:16 am GMT
i'm sorry to disagree with the french side but spanish is definetely WAYYY more popular than french is in the western hemisphere. Just think of the media...when the hell do u hear french? The poorest country in the Americas is a french speaking country....HAITI...but anyway, I think both languages are beautiful and you all should stop fighting like little kids over this stupid shit.
Guest   Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:13 pm GMT
<<i'm sorry to disagree with the french side but spanish is definetely WAYYY more popular than french is in the western hemisphere. Just think of the media...>>

Hehe, I disagree too!
In America it's popular, but in Europe the most developped and powerful territory, I think that French is more common than Spanish.

And in music? you Americans, you don't know the French music and the European music (very various and modern) only the hispanic one... it's dammageable.

Lorie, Clara Morgane, Leslie or Amel Bent have to envy nothing Shakira, Jennifer Lopez or Maria Carey in Music, excepted a little of respect.

"famous today" musics:

Clara Morgane (rn'b)=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-iS60c2hpY

Amel Bent=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m2__SOpmzY&mode=related&search=

Lorie (Zouk)=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OctRD_NHseU

Leslie=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0_BKlkAO0U&mode=related&search=

Shy'm ( R'n'B )=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6PLK0TCKv8

Soumia (Raï{arabic music gender}-Zouk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWo96T51NVc

Jennifer Ayache (pop rock)=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ig3g7U8wDM


The most interesting is the French-English-Spanish melt=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSzWXJ3CryQ


(Moderators, don't delete this message, It's just there to grow rich culturally, and learn of others)
TBB   Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:13 pm GMT
Given the amount of immigration, vestigial pioneer and native languages, and the tendency towards hispanization in the lower states, I'm wondering whether more than 50% of the population of the United States speaks fluent English.

Does this mean that American English will soon become no more than a diplomatic language there?
TBB   Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:17 pm GMT
"In another francophone parts:
Also New Orleans, Casablanca (Marocco), Tunis, Algiers (Alger in french), Bucharest (little Paris), maybe Alexandria and Cairo, Beyrut, Hanoï, Pnon Penh, Kinshasa, Abidjan, Dakar, Ottawa, Toronto, Vancouver, Athens, etc...


Hispanic parts:
Mexico (3rd most populous city), Los Angeles, San Diego, Manila, Madrid, Buenos Aires, Lima, Bogota, Barcelona, also New York..."

Just to correct you ... the natural language of Barcelona is Catalan NOT Spanish.
Guest   Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:38 pm GMT
English is making an inroad in Mexico, Central America and Puerto Rico. Majority of thepeople from these areas speak fluent English.

Even in Costa Rica, the people speak English that rivals that of Mexico and even Puerto Rico.

Those ares are rapidly being anglicized or shall we say ameicanized.
Sergio   Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:27 pm GMT
Hi guest,

The fact that the people learn English as a second language, does not mean that they are on their way to become aglicized at all.

I have nothing against the English language, rather aknowledge its usefulness, but I will never quit speaking Spanish in my daily life, with my friends, family and co-workers in favor of English, and so won't the rest of Mexicans either.

A foreign language, and specifically the English language is a very useful comunication tool with other cultures outside each culture, but will never a part of their identity.
Rizzeck   Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:04 pm GMT
Europe is the most developed and powerful territory--ha. Europe has 170 million more people and a GDP EQUAL to the United States of America. Europe has the POTENTIAL to be the most developed territory; however the Bulgarias, Serbias, Romanias, Albanias, Ukraines and, you get the picture, of the world have a half century of catching up to do.
Rizzeck   Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:08 pm GMT
"I have nothing against the English language, rather aknowledge its usefulness, but I will never quit speaking Spanish in my daily life, with my friends, family and co-workers in favor of English, and so won't the rest of Mexicans either."

I don't like that attitude, sort of. I hate it when major league base players that have 10 seasons under their belt can't speak English. That is extremely disrespectful and a slap in the face to our culture. Yao Ming didn't speak a lick of English, but within 3 years is extremely fluent, dare I say better than many Americans and even some members on his own team.
Sergio   Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:12 pm GMT
Hi Rizzeck,

> I don't like that attitude, sort of.
If you can read and understand, I meant the use of English in our own countries, which are not English speaking countries. Of course, talking about working and/or living in USA, Canada, England or Australia as a foreigner, I completely agree with the opinion of learning and speaking English as an obligation.
Rizzeck   Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:15 am GMT
Nevermind then. My bad.
Alba   Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:22 am GMT
<<Europe has the POTENTIAL to be the most developed territory; however the Bulgarias, Serbias, Romanias, Albanias, Ukraines and, you get the picture, of the world have a half century of catching up to do. >>

I think Bulgaria and Romania are catching up lol. but yes the rest need help...I think China and India are more powerful. and whats with hating French??? "Freedom fries" lool
Guest   Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:29 am GMT
<<Given the amount of immigration, vestigial pioneer and native languages, and the tendency towards hispanization in the lower states, I'm wondering whether more than 50% of the population of the United States speaks fluent English.>>

I'll go ahead and quell your suspicions. A strong majority of Americans speak fluent English.
Guest   Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:20 pm GMT
<< Given the amount of immigration, vestigial pioneer and native languages, and the tendency towards hispanization in the lower states, I'm wondering whether more than 50% of the population of the United States speaks fluent English. >>

No silly, it's the other way around instead. Mexico, Central America, Puerto Rico, and Dominican Republic are getting angclicized as time goes on.

Lots of the people in these countries speak fluent English.
Sergio   Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:49 pm GMT
Hi Guest,

>No silly, it's the other way around instead. Mexico, Central America, Puerto Rico, and Dominican Republic are getting angclicized as time goes on.

Quite stubborn you are.... both predictions are just ridiculous. If anything, migration is much stronger in one way that in the other, so, a lot of people are already speaking Sp in their daily life in USA (which, as I wrote in another post, I do not think is right, as they should learn and speak proper English to comunicate and live in an English speaking country) whereas almost nobody uses English in Latinamerica, excepting for them who happen to WORK with FOREIGNERS.

>Lots of the people in these countries speak fluent English.
This is a common trend in the whole world. I don't see how Latinamerica should be a special case. On the other hand, the fact of learning English as a FOREIGN language does not equal 'being or becoming Anglicized' at all.
Sergio   Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:53 pm GMT
Hi again Guest,

>whereas almost nobody uses English in Latinamerica, excepting for them who happen to WORK with FOREIGNERS.

should read:

whereas almost nobody uses English in Latinamerica as a daily life language, excepting for them who happen to WORK with FOREIGNERS inside or/and outside their respective countries.