English in France? Mais oui!

Adam   Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:55 am GMT
Should English be a required subject for all French schoolchildren alongside of math and French?

Yes, according to a report of France's Higher Council of School Assessment. Non, said France's President Jacques Chirac, a number of French politicians, and leaders of French unions.

For many countries the idea of English as a basic subject is already a reality. Italian schoolchildren begin to study English in elementary school. The same goes for many European countries.

In some other countries such as South Korea, English is viewed as such an important language that some parents even go as far as putting their kids through a frenectomy — a minor surgery which lengthens the tongue by about one millimeter. The idea is that having a longer tongue will significantly improve the kids' pronunciation when they learn English.

Although there is little doubt that English has been the lingua franca for much of the past century and will be for the foreseeable future, it's difficult for the French to accept it. French had the role of lingua franca before English and the French have tried their best to maintain it although with little success in recent times.

Cut Tongue for English?
A scene from a movie "If You Were Me" shows that a small child gets ready to undergo a surgery in a Seoul clinic for cutting underneath part of his tongue to make it longer for better pronunciation of English. The surgery called a frenectomy — a minor surgery which lengthens the tongue by about one millimeter, is gaining its popularity among the South Koreans.
Photo caption by
Lee Hyun-Ju


Both French and English are considered the working languages of the United Nations. Yet, the French often complain about the fact that English dominates and some U.N. materials are not available in French.

French speakers have even had to defend their language because of the "invasion" of English words, particularly through music, cinema, and of course, pop culture.

Both Canada and France passed laws to limit or stop the invasion of English and maintain French. For example, public signs in Quebec have to be twice the size of their English translations. Some shopkeepers have in fact been taken to court because their English signs were larger than half the size of French. And no English word can be used if a French term exists.


Such unconstitutional rules


Trying to maintain the predominance and purity of the French language, France passed the Toubon Law in 1994. It mandates the use of French in government documents, public advertising, road signs, etc., and prohibits the use of foreign words if suitable French terms exist. At least 40 percent of the songs broadcast by radio stations in France must be in French. A similar formula is used for television programs.

In spite of these efforts, English has continued to rise and the importance of French has been moving in the opposite direction. That's why some globally-thinking French speakers have decided to join the bandwagon. French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin and Education Minister Francois Fillon support the idea of French schoolchildren learning English.


Children at school in France


Chirac disagrees. He believes that nothing would be worse for humanity if the language "of international communication" would be limited to English.

French teachers unions are also concerned that if English is given predominance, other foreign languages would be severely curtailed. Classes in German, Italian, and regional French, such as Breton would be displaced from the French curriculum.

The rise of English is undoubtedly endangering other languages. The number of people who speak English as their second language tells you something about its power. It is estimated that 400,000,000 people speak English as nonnatives, while 350,000,000 speak it as their mother tongue.

Ironically, fact that more people speak English as a second language may also pose a danger to English itself. It's likely that as English becomes everyone's second language, it will be seen as nothing more than a tool like math, Fortran, or Algol.

To stay in touch with our humanity, we'll have to resort to the language which represents our culture — the language we learned from our parents. And that language for most people around the globe will be something other than English. So French, like many other languages, may not have much to fear.

The French should let their kids learn English. What foreign language should American kids learn?

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Rob James   Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:11 pm GMT
In the next 20 years or so, French will be relegated to the same international status as Welsh- and then Cumbric about 50 years later!
Someone   Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:27 pm GMT
Well ! English is half French anyway...
Nat   Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:28 pm GMT
Adam, why are you so obsessed by French, French people and France? For someone who claims hating the French, you speak a lot about them what I find rather odd! Usually, when a person doesn't like something, that said-person doesn't talk about it so much...

Now, to answer to your text, why should every countries learn English? Yes, it is the language used in the whole world nowadays but it seems that you forget China... where live one billion of people. Perhaps, one day (soon), it will be the Chinese which would be used in the whole world. That day, do every English-speaking people would learn Chinese at school and forget their own language?

I think it's good to learn foreign languages but it's bad to impose to learn them on people who don't want to because they don't have any use at it. After all, we are free!

I don't think that one day, the French language will be "relegated to the same international status as Welsh", as Rob James told us and I hope this language would not die, as for every languages in the world because it is a part of the Earth History which dies and it's sad.

And don't forget that "the golden ages" of each country are cyclical. It's the evolution.
Guest   Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:37 pm GMT
Nat, (je suppose que tu es française)

il est inutile d'essayer de raisonner Adam, il est imperméable à toute logique.
Sander   Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:39 pm GMT
Yeah Nat,you just can't reason with that moron. (I tried for nearly a year!)
Kirk   Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:07 pm GMT
<<Yeah Nat,you just can't reason with that moron. (I tried for nearly a year!)>>

Looks like you finally learned, Sander :)
EL Electric   Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:24 pm GMT
English is half French anyway or at least 30 % !!! LOL

So the French legacy rules behind anyway ! Besides that , Ironically the British spelling is more french than any other form of English on the map !

Viva España !
Guest   Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:30 pm GMT
Brain in Adam's head? Mais non!
Stan   Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:59 pm GMT
Hello Adam, ofcourse who else could come up with such an ingenious topic as this, France I guess will never rest, not until your French girlfriend returns.

Heh!, has anyone seen Adam's ex-girlfriend!. Her presence will be needed if her country is to be rescued from the hands (or should I say words) of Adam.
Damian in Scotland   Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:47 am GMT
Adam's French girlfriend has run off with a rich Saudi sheik so I reckon she doesn't give a hoot any more about his Francophobia.
Guest   Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:05 am GMT
You can hardly blame him...this is how Adam's girlfriend looks:
http://web.swedevice.com/sistergeorge/gallery/TastyTimBirthday_walt/images/tranny.jpg
Nationalist   Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:28 am GMT
Hello,

Please solemnly declare that English English is the only language worthy of interest and that it is universal.

Thank you.
Mr Grammaticoclast   Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:30 am GMT
"Please solemnly declare that English English is the only language worthy of interest and that it is universal."

English English? Universal?

What the hell are you talking about?
Damian in Edinburgh   Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:50 am GMT
SCOTTISH English is universal....in SCOTLAND......but also in Camden Town....and in Corby...and in Torquay (in summer mainly)...and in Berwick (all year round).....and in Cardiff Arms Park on International days...and in Twickenham (on International days).....and in Parc des Princes (on International days)......flippin' heck...we're EVERYWHERE! We're Universal, guys! Scottish English is all around.....like Love......actually. Yaaaayyyyyy!