This kind of mistakes

MJGR   Friday, October 29, 2004, 08:48 GMT
What must be said: "this kind of mistakes" or "these kind of mistakes"?
I think that the correct form is the first and that the second is a typical English mistake but I am not sure.
Another question: when you say "Me too" (for example, if somebody says "I like this" and you answer "Me too"), shouldn't it be said "I too" because the pronoun is the subject of the sentence?
Mi5 Mick   Friday, October 29, 2004, 10:39 GMT
Both are correct:
"this kind of mistake" (no S)
or
"these kind of mistakes"

"Me too" is colloquial. "I, too" is very formal.
Mi5 Mick   Friday, October 29, 2004, 10:41 GMT
>>"I, too" is very formal.<<

To be honest, I don't think I've ever heard or seen this used in real practice.
saya   Friday, October 29, 2004, 11:20 GMT
results of google search
(1) this kind of mistake /4100/ correct
(2) this kind of mistakes /586/ incorrect but colloquial
(3) these kinds of mistake / 5/ correct but too formal
(4) these kind of mistakes /884/ incorrect but colloquial
(5) these kinds of mistakes /2230/ correct

saya
D   Friday, October 29, 2004, 11:27 GMT
"Me too" is not a sentence, so there is no reason to replace
the me with an I. The reason we use me is that we think of this
phrase as part of a longer list:

He liked Joe, and Sam, and me, too.

I agree with Mi5 Mick that "I, too" is not idiomatic for
the variety of English I am familiar with.
Mi5 Mick   Friday, October 29, 2004, 11:33 GMT
I copied and pasted where I wrote "these kind of mistakes": this is NOT correct and is NOT even colloquial; I wouldn't say this nor would a native.

I'll write the correct ones:
"This kind of mistake." (kind; mistake)
"These kinds of mistakes." (kinds; mistakes)

"I, too." and not "I, too"
Easterner   Friday, October 29, 2004, 12:41 GMT
>>"Me too" is colloquial. "I, too" is very formal. <<

As a reaction to "I like this", I would say "So do I" in a formal situation, and "Me too" in an informal one, but never "I, too". In a formal written text I would never use "too", but "as well" or "either" (both at the end of the sentence) instead.
Mi5 Mick   Friday, October 29, 2004, 13:48 GMT
>>As a reaction to "I like this", I would say "So do I" in a formal situation<<

So would I and not only in a formal setting, but in an informal one, as well. "So do I." sounds equally natural as "Me too.".

;)
Sanja   Saturday, October 30, 2004, 12:23 GMT
"I too" sounds very strange, I have never heard it before and I definitely don't use it.
"This kind of mistakes" sounds more logical than "These kind of mistakes" because "kind" is singular and not plural, so in my opinion
it should be "this kind" and not "these kind", no matter which word is following.
Mi5 Mick   Saturday, October 30, 2004, 14:09 GMT
You're right, so logically you could also write "these kinds of mistake", but like "this kind of mistakes", it isn't commonly heard. You would normally hear "this kind of mistake" and "these kinds of mistakes": it sounds more natural to match the second quantifier to the first.
Mi5 Mick   Saturday, October 30, 2004, 14:23 GMT
* second noun to the first determiner.
Achab   Sunday, October 31, 2004, 21:52 GMT
To me (1), (2), (3), and (5) are OK.

(4) sounds terrible to my ear.

Actually, one could also say: 'a mistake of this kind', 'mistakes of this kind', etc.

BTW, Sanja, are you native speaker of English?
Achab   Sunday, October 31, 2004, 22:03 GMT
Actually, my question was both for saya and Sanja.
Ali   Sunday, October 31, 2004, 22:08 GMT
This kind of mistake = there is only one sort of mistake
These kinds of mistake )
These kinds of mistakes) There are at least two sorts of mistake.

Anything else, I'm afraid, would be considered grammatically incorrect by a UK native speaker - I can't vouch for any others.
mjd   Sunday, October 31, 2004, 22:27 GMT
I agree with everything Ali said (I'm an American native speaker).

The best way to rephrase the original sentence would be "mistakes of this kind...."