Why didn't Spanish become an official language?

Guest   Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:38 am GMT
Nice try mi amigo but:

<< Countries where WAS official French and now NO: Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, Mauritania. Tunisia, Algeria Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Louisiana (USA), Maurice, etc >>

French is prefered and used instead of Arabic in government commerce and education.

French is still spoken in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. It's understandable that French might slip behind because they're in Asia unlike in the Philippines, Guam, and Marianas which were colonized by Spain for more than 300 years but Spanish ceased not only as the official language but it disappeared and present generation Filipino of Spanish descent there speak English and Tagalog as their first language. In fact those young generation Spanish descents know Chinese than Spanish. But the most widely studied foreign language in the Philippines are French, Japanese, Italian, and German. You can ask the foreign language schools there. Same case in Marianas and Guam. In these 3 countries the people have Spanish surnames and yet they speak no Spanish? That's too bad.

French has an official status in Louisiana and the number of its speakers ias rising again thanks to the immersion program of CODOFIL unlike New Mexico where the hispanics there speak English at home and has no official status.

French is much much more widely spoken than English in Mauritius. Yes even Indians and Chinese prefer to use it than English and there's a trend that it will become the first language of all Mauritians regardless of ethnic background again because of education. It's true that French was not an official in that country but recently it became an official language and Anglo-Saxons are quite worried that Engliash may disappear in there because of the official status of French.

<< Countries where French and ENGLISH are official: Rwanda, Cameroon, Canada, Seychelles, Madagascar, etc. The most powerful language always wins. So, French will disappear in these countries. >>

Hahahaha! Rwanda was ruled by pro-anglo tutsis they are ramming English in the throats of the hutus.

In Cameroon, the anglophone complains that Francophones speak no English while the Anglophones are fluent in French.

Why would French disappear in Canada when it's dominant in Quebec, Northern Ontario and Prairie Provinces, New Brunswick, and Labrador.

French is spoken sided by side with English it's understandable because it was seized by the brits from the French but again French survived there and to think that it was colonized by the French for slightly 1 century that ended up after the Napoleonic wars unlike in the Philippines which was colonized for 300+ yeas and then the Spanish language suddenly disappeared when Americans took over warly in the 20th century. There's no excuse for that because there were modern means of communications and transportation at the time of take over.

Madagascar? I heard that the peole there are so uninterested in learning English unlike in Nigeria and Ghana where the people are so interested in learning French and it's required in secondary schools. English is declared as an official language there just to attract foreign investors from US and UK but there's no sign that it will be spoken by the people there.

<< Countries where French and ARABIC are official: Djibouti, Tchad, Comores, Niger (recognized regional language), etc. The most powerful language always wins. So, French will disappear in these countries. >>

Please analyze why French is used in place of Arabic in Maghreb in government, commece, and education. Arabic is used only in religion in countries you mentioned.

English is the one that is in great jeopardy because in Kenya, Uganda, and Tanzania, Swahili is declared as an official language which poses a threat to English as much as French competes with English in Egypt.

<< Countries where French is the first language of the country: ONLY France and Monaco. >>

BOBO! It's France, Canada, Belgium, Switzerland, Mauritius, and DOM-TOM.

However, the language that is in free fall, in the larger decline is Spanish, of course because of Quechua and Aymara in Bolivia, Peru, and Ecuador; Guarani in Paraguay; Quiche in Guatemala; Lunfardo and Italian in Argentina; Portonhul in Uruguay; English and Nahauatl in Mexico; Borriqueño and English in Puerto Rico; English in Panama and Costa Rica; and French in Dominican Republic.

Besides Spanish will disintigrate into new languages like Afrikaans from Dutch.

Proofs:

Yo hablo Español
Jo/Zho hablo Ehpañol/Ezpañol/EshpañolEzhpañol/Eshpañol/Ethpañol.


Ufff! I see a black future for your language and it has a very big problems that are hard to fix especially that Spanish speaking nations donot have budget for the solution, mi amigo!
Guest   Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:04 am GMT
<<Spanish died in the Philippines for one simple reason and that is the Spaniards denied the people of the Philippines of education because they feared that if the Filipinos acquired knowledge, their minds would be opened and realize that being subjects of Spain is wrong and should be ended once and for all. So they just allowed them to remain uneducated.>>

Wrong, the same happend in Mexico or Peru and now they speak Spanish, the reason of this is in the commentary number 14 which is above your coment that I've written in Spanish
Super Korean   Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:43 am GMT
<<Wrong, the same happend in Mexico or Peru and now they speak Spanish, the reason of this is in the commentary number 14 which is above your coment that I've written in Spanish >>

I don't speak/understand Spanish, can you rewrite it in English please?
I really want to know the reason!!
Charles the Hammer   Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:55 pm GMT
I am on vacation in upstate New York and had the pleasure of hearing FRENCH on two different radio stations today. What a pleasant change from the horror of being bombarded with hideous Spanish all the time.
Manny   Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:19 pm GMT
<<Spanish died in the Philippines for one simple reason and that is...>>

Spanish didn't really die in the Philippines, it morphed into Chavacano. So, instead of reasserting European Spanish onto Filipino school children, the Philippine government should advance the cause of Chavacano and rename it Philippine Spanish, so that, like Brazilian Portuguese, we take a colonial language and make it our own.

Hear Chavacano:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26XPSodND3E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiC1siHwMfQ
Guest   Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:48 pm GMT
ElqueSeComióElSol   Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:02 am GMT
Mi amigote de jerga me dijo que los asiáticos no son capaces de hablar español debido a la pequeñez de sus cerebros. ¿Tiene esto algo de verdad, o es simplemente una mentira ideada por un cerebro corrompido por tonelada tras tonelada de alcohol y tabaco? ¿Qué pensáis vosotros? Decidme ahora mismo, no me gusta esperar para nada.
Guest   Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:17 am GMT
<<http://now.abs-cbn.com/ondemand/premium/tvpregional/zamboanga/20080725-tvpzamboanga-high.asx >>
Sounds like spanish with english words. That is, it is Philippine spanglish .
Other guys are speaking only english.
Guest   Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:40 pm GMT
I think that Spanish could become the most important occidental language anly with an economic crisis (more than 1929) of the USA.
Guest   Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:04 pm GMT
but we're having now the same kind of economic problems than USA or even more. So you know : mal de muchos consuelo de tontos.
Guest   Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:13 pm GMT
Spanish is strong in Hispanic America because the Amerindian languages and cultures were weak.

On the other hand its weak in the Philippines becuase the indigenous language and culture were persistent and strong able to resist assimilation into the hispanic language and culture despite being a colony that lasted for more than 30 years.
I beg to differ   Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:32 pm GMT
<<Spanish is strong in Hispanic America because the Amerindian languages and cultures were weak. On the other hand its weak in the Philippines becuase the indigenous language and culture were persistent and strong able to resist assimilation into the hispanic language and culture despite being a colony that lasted for more than 300 years. >>

From my understanding, the Philippines has the weakest indigenous language and culture in East Asia.

China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia and Vietnam all have rich culture and history but the Philippines do not have strong pre-colonial history and culture. The Philippines was a dump before the Spanish invasion.
Guest   Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:11 pm GMT
Diga usted: 'derecho, derecho por favor' en español a cualquier taxista filipino, y sorprendido, responderá: 'ah, ¿habla usted tagalo?'.
Guest   Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:25 pm GMT
<<From my understanding, the Philippines has the weakest indigenous language and culture in East Asia.

China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia and Vietnam all have rich culture and history but the Philippines do not have strong pre-colonial history and culture. The Philippines was a dump before the Spanish invasion.>>

Absolutely false! The only reason you don't know about the pre-hispanic culture in the Philippines is because most of that history was lost/erased/forgotten after 300+ years of Spanish colonial rule and 50+ years of American colonial rule.

Prior to the Spanish arrival, the islands were divided into kingdoms ruled by powerful sultans and datus. They had their own writing systems (look up 'baybayin'), literature, their own brand of martial arts (look up eskrima and arnis), engaged in metal smithing, pottery making, jewelery crafting, and sailed the high seas trading, heavily with the Chinese, Indians, and Muslims of southern Asia, etc. They were not cultural isolates as the arriving Spaniards led the world to believe.

Please see:

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9845/tech.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Philippines_(pre-1521)
Tagalogalalala   Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:28 am GMT
Did the Philippines ever have one unified Kingdom? No!
Did the Philippines use one language throughout the country? No!

There were thousands of kingdoms and languages in the Philippines when the other Asian countries had one unified kingdom with one common language in their own countries.

The indigenous culture of the Philippines is nothing compared to those of other East Asian countries.