Language Dictatorship in Belgium

Die Elsaß über alles   Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:41 am GMT
<< France doesn´t allow Corsica, Alsace, Bretagne and Basque countries to speak the language and live the culture of their forefathers. >>

Unlike Flanders, France doesn't prevent anyone to speak the language he wants. In those regions virtually no one wants to split from France. Parties that campaign for independance rarely get more than 1% of votes.

Here is a big difference with Canada. Last time a referendum over independance was made in Quebec an undisputed majority of pure wool Quebekers voted 'yes'. Independance was rejected by a thin margin only thanks to third world immigrants votes.

Immigration is more efficient than a military invasion to enslave a nation.
G17   Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:48 am GMT
If Quebec declared independence would Canada send in the army?
PQ   Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:14 am GMT
"If Quebec declared independence would Canada send in the army?"

— Oh no, they just send in the Pakis.
eastlander   Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:39 am GMT
"According to Article 2 of the Constitution, French is the sole official language of France since 1992. This makes France the only Western European nation (excluding microstates) to have only one officially recognised language. However, 77 regional languages are also spoken, in metropolitan France as well as in the overseas departments and territories. Until recently, the French government and state school system discouraged the use of any of these languages, but they are now taught to varying degrees at some schools.[40] Other languages, such as Portuguese, Italian, Maghrebi Arabic and several Berber languages are spoken by immigrants."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France
eastlander   Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:51 am GMT
The Toubon Law (full name: law 94-665 of 4 August 1994 relating to usage of the French language), is a law of the French government mandating the use of the French language in official government publications, in advertisements, in the workplace, in commercial contracts, in some other commercial communication contexts, in government-financed schools, and some other contexts. The law does not concern private, non-commercial communications, such as non-commercial web publications by private bodies.

The law takes its common name from Jacques Toubon who was Minister of Culture when it was passed and who proposed the law to Parliament. A nickname is Loi Allgood – "Allgood" is a morpheme-for-morpheme translation of "Toubon" into English – as the law can largely be considered to have been enacted in reaction to the increasing usage of English in advertisements and other occasions in France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toubon_Law
"In 1999 the Socialist government of Lionel Jospin signed the Council of Europe’s European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages, but it was not ratified. The Constitutional Council of France declared that the implementation of the Charter would be unconstitutional since the Constitution states that the language of the Republic is French.

The European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages is a European convention (ETS 148) adopted in 1992 under the auspices of the Council of Europe to protect and promote historical regional and minority languages in Europe, ratified and implemented by 17 States, but not by France (as of 2007[update]).

The charter contains 98 articles of which signatories must adopt a minimum of 35 (France signed 39).

The signing, and the failure to have it ratified, provoked a public debate in French society over the charter.

One argument against was the fear of the break-up of France "one and indivisible" leading to the threat of "babelism", "balkanization" and then ethnic separatism if the charter were to be implemented, and that therefore there should be only one language recognised in the French state: the French language. This was also linked to a wider debate about how power should be apportioned between the national and local governments.

Another was that in an era where a widely spoken language like French was threatened with becoming irrelevant in the global arena, especially in economic, technical and scientific contexts, officially supporting regional languages was a mere waste of government resources.

As an example of what proponents of ratification considered racist and scornful, here is a sample quote from an article in Charlie Hebdo, a well-known satirical journal:

The aborigines are going to be able to speak their patois, oh sorry, their language, without being laughed at. And even keep their accent, that is their beret and their clogs.
Likewise, President Jacques Chirac, putting an end to the debate, argued that it would threaten "the indivisibility of the Republic," "equality in front of the Law" and "the unity of the French people," since it may end by conferring "special rights to organised linguistic communities."

France, Andorra and Turkey are the only European countries that have not yet signed the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities. This framework entered into force in 1998 and is now nearly compulsory to implement in order to be accepted in the European Union, which implies France would not qualify for EU entry were it to apply for membership now."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France
Milton   Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:33 am GMT
-Independance was rejected by a thin margin only thanks to third world immigrants votes.-

This is not true, independence was rejected because people from Montreal decided to stay in Canada, they voted NO for separation. Everyone there can speak English, so they like being in Canada. Unlike rural Quebec who would be benefit from isolation and backwardness.
Othello   Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:31 pm GMT
<< This is not true, independence was rejected because people from Montreal decided to stay in Canada, they voted NO for separation. Everyone there can speak English, so they like being in Canada. Unlike rural Quebec who would be benefit from isolation and backwardness. >>

Do it and find out that long time Anglos there are monolingual in French and they're the ones who would despise you for addressing them in English.
Celine Dion likes English   Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:29 am GMT
If Quebec splits, Anglophone parts of Montreal will split to, they are near enough to join Ontario (forming a sort of a West Berlin of Canada). Atlantic Canada will join US, since Quebec exiting the Union will tear it up into Western Canada and Eastern Canada (the same thing that happened to Pakistan vs Bangladesh). After that, Western Canada will be aked to join the US too. Quebec will be backward and poor, and no one will want to trade with them in French, it will be a Paraguay of the Northern Hemisphere. With no money from rich parts of Canada, it will plummet.
J.Lopez likes English   Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:15 am GMT
<< If Quebec splits, Anglophone parts of Montreal will split to, they are near enough to join Ontario (forming a sort of a West Berlin of Canada). Atlantic Canada will join US, since Quebec exiting the Union will tear it up into Western Canada and Eastern Canada (the same thing that happened to Pakistan vs Bangladesh). After that, Western Canada will be aked to join the US too. Quebec will be backward and poor, and no one will want to trade with them in French, it will be a Paraguay of the Northern Hemisphere. With no money from rich parts of Canada, it will plummet. >>

On the contrary, Canada without Quebec will be backward and will victim for US expansionism. English Canada is nothing without the US. Let those US investment be pulled and it will collapse

I heard that the Central American countries are work9ing to be annexed by the US. That is not new because the reason why they separated from Mexico is they wanted to join the union. So that is the reason why English is so widely spoken there in preparation to be annexed by the US becuse theyre so damn poor and backward.
Visitor   Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:55 am GMT
<< Regardless of language, you wouldn't grant them independence, so you cannot expect Canada to free Quebec. >>

Then so be it! But let me tell you that the French speaking community will not only stop defending but imposing their language and culture to non-Franco-Canadians. The first step is French Immersion class for English Canadians.

It would be a big headache for English Canada. Better that they secede from Canada or expel Quebec and New Brunswick
Guest   Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:12 pm GMT
French communities only cause problems: nationalists in Quebec and lazy Walloons in Belgium.
Medvedev   Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:02 pm GMT
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Then so be it! But let me tell you that the French speaking community will not only stop defending but imposing their language and culture to non-Franco-Canadians.>>


Can't French-speakers promote French without resorting to militant means? What next, are you going to ban people from speaking English in public? Just like Fransisco Franco or Stalin!
Quebec Libre   Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:44 pm GMT
France has nuclear weapons to defend the French language if it's necessary.
Montreal speaks English   Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:40 am GMT
Quebec cannot go away because Anglophones and Native Canadians (Indians) won't let them to, Quebec northern border is not defined and Nativa Canadians wish to remain in the Crown territory.
Horacio   Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:02 am GMT
The USA also prefers a united Canada, and the USA always gets the last word in North America. For the USA Canada is like an extention, but ther ewere to appear some French speaking territory, it would create the illusion of lack of control and their cultural differences might lead Quebecers to want more autonomy from control from Washington, which obviously won't be permitted.