Catalan a Frankish-Romance+Gothic-Romance hybrid?

Ouest   Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:29 pm GMT
hepatitis posted on Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:26 pm GMT
It's difficult to tell if Catalan is Gallo-Romance or Ibero-Romance. It was born as a branch of Occitan, but nowadays it has a lot of Spanish influence. Let's call it a Gallo-Iberian hybrid.

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Shouldn´t Catalan better be called a Frankish-Romance+Gothic-Romance hybrid? Neither "Gaulois" nor "Iberian" have had any substantial influence on Catalan......
Guest   Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:30 pm GMT
The terms Gallo Romance or Ibero Romance are branchs of the Romance languages, There is no connection at all with the Gauls or Iberians.
Eivissa   Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:46 pm GMT
Catalan is a romance language: the most conservative of Latin heritage after Italian.
eastlander   Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:23 pm GMT
Most conservative is Sardinian (limba Sarda).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_language
Guest   Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:20 pm GMT
Romanian is also more conservative than Catalan.
Guest   Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:29 pm GMT
<<Catalan is a romance language: the most conservative of Latin heritage after Italian. >>

Yet they say "broa" for Latin 'panis'; and "sopar" for Latin 'cenet', so they are not 100% purely Latin


They also look German or Scandinavian too
Eivissa   Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:20 am GMT
Catalan has:

87% lexical similarity with Italian
85% with Portuguese and Spanish
76% with Rheto-Romance
75% with Sardinian
73% with Rumanian

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=cat
Guest   Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:54 pm GMT
with Occitan it shares probably more than 90% because Catalan is an Occitan dialect with Spanish influence.
La Hola   Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:59 pm GMT
Eivissa Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:20 am GMT
Catalan has:

87% lexical similarity with Italian
85% with Portuguese and Spanish
76% with Rheto-Romance
75% with Sardinian
73% with Rumanian

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=cat
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Do you mean that Italy, Spanish etc. have Germanic roots, too?
Alessandro   Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:22 pm GMT
"Do you mean that Italy, Spanish etc. have Germanic roots, too?"

This is really complex. I think Yes, but not only thinking to 1000 AD when Lombards and other germanic tribes migrate, but thinking to Roman Empire.
Augustus guard was completly germanic. After him all the Roman Soldiers where not Italic and where especially Germanic. Only officials where Italics.
60.000 Germanic people where captured by Marius and integrated in Roman Empire. That people contaminated Roman Culture with germans caracters.

Look this: http://www.rai.tv/mpplaymedia/0,,RaiTre-Passepartout%5E16%5E162551,00.html
Catalan   Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:30 am GMT
Català should be the first official language of Spain, not Castellano.
Guest   Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:37 pm GMT
Yet they say "broa" for Latin 'panis'; and "sopar" for Latin 'cenet', so they are not 100% purely Latin

The word "broa" is not unique to Catalan.
The word "broa" has several meanings in portuguese. For example a kind of bread made of maize and wheat or maize and rye (broa de Avintes). It also means a kind of biskuits or cookies .
Guest   Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:40 pm GMT
Catalan is low class. Franco forbade it.
greg   Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:12 am GMT
Ouest : « Shouldn´t Catalan better be called a Frankish-Romance+Gothic-Romance hybrid? Neither "Gaulois" nor "Iberian" have had any substantial influence on Catalan...... ».

Non, le catalan, tout comme le wallon, le gascon, le lombard et l'arpitan, est une langue romane.
La Hola   Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:35 am GMT
Guest Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:37 pm GMT
Yet they say "broa" for Latin 'panis'; and "sopar" for Latin 'cenet', so they are not 100% purely Latin

The word "broa" is not unique to Catalan.
The word "broa" has several meanings in portuguese. For example a kind of bread made of maize and wheat or maize and rye (broa de Avintes). It also means a kind of biskuits or cookies .
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Are "broa" related with "Brot" and "sopar" with "Suppe"?