why do all want to learn English?

beni   Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:16 pm GMT
English is good to earn money. That's all
Adam   Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:43 pm GMT
"Are you sure that this is socially acceptable? Go to China and take a look!"

In China it is, but it's not in England. So, when it comes to human rights abuses, you CANNOT compare England to China.

"Any way I thought it was just a "gross-out" artist that ate the featus"

No. Eating foetuses in common in China. The Chinese see the foetus as a medicine.

Chinese trade in human foetuses for consumption is uncovered
By Yojana Sharma in Hong Kong and Graham Hutchings in Beijing
ABORTED human foetuses intended for human consumption are being sold for as little as £1 in the Chinese city of Shenzhen, according to reports in Hong Kong yesterday.

The Eastern Express newspaper said journalists from its sister publication, Eastweek, had gone to Shenzhen, across the border from Hong Kong, to see if foetuses were being sold. Shenzhen hospitals carried out 7,000 terminations last year, including a number on Hong Kong women seeking cheap abortions.

At the state-run Shenzhen Health Centre for Women and Children, a female doctor was asked for a foetus. The next day, she handed the reporter a "fist-sized glass bottle stuffed with thumb-sized foetuses".

The doctor was quoted as saying: "There are 10 foetuses here, all aborted this morning. You can take them. We are a state hospital and don't charge. Normally we doctors take them home to eat - all free. Since you don't look well, you can take them."

At private clinics, aborted foetuses could be obtained for between £1 and £1.75, the newspaper said. There was no evidence, however, that foetuses were being sold in large quantities to middlemen for sale in Hong Kong.

A doctor said the foetuses were 'nutritious' and claimed to have eaten 100 herself

Zou Qin, a doctor working at the Luo Hu Clinic in Shenzhen, said the foetuses were "nutritious" and claimed to have eaten 100 herself in the past six months.

She said the "best" were first-born males from young women. "We don't carry out abortions just to eat the foetuses," she said, but added that the foetuses would be "wasted if not eaten". The newspaper said the foetuses were eaten as a soup, together with pork and ginger.

A woman doctor, referred to only as Wang, from the Sin Hua Clinic, Shenzhen, was quoted as saying the foetuses were "even better than placentae" in nutritional value. "They can make your skin smoother, your body stronger and are good for kidneys," she said.

Dr Warren Lee, president of the Hong Kong Nutrition Association, said: "Eating foetuses is a traditional Chinese medicine deeply founded in folklore." However, he considered the alleged properties of foetuses little more than old-wives' tales. Others said the practice was abhorrent.

The sale and consumption of placentae is common in China

Dr Cao Shilin, of the Hospital of Chinese medicine in Shenzhen, said aborted embryos were taken to factories where they were used in the production of medicines.

She did not know if any were sold to private individuals, but said there was little medical value in embryos older than eight weeks when, in Chinese terms, they were classified as foetuses.

She had not heard of foetuses being sold in Shenzhen, but warned that eating them could be dangerous, given the strong medicines used in abortions.

A doctor in Beijing, who declined to be named, said parts of foetuses would have medical value, singling out the liver as something that could help to cure anaemia.

But hospitals in Beijing had ovens for the destruction of aborted foetuses, and she had not heard that they had been sold for individual consumption.

The sale and consumption of placentae is common in China, though frowned upon by the authorities. Only those with good connections to the medical world can obtain placentae, which cost between £2.50 and £3 each.

According to traditional Chinese medicine, it is regarded as particularly beneficial for a nursing mother to eat her own placenta because it improves her milk. It is usually drunk in the form of a soup.


Until you uncover something like this happening in England then you can't compare "human rights abuses" in England compared to those of China.
Adam   Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:50 pm GMT
"of course there are more chinese excecuted! chinese have the biggest population. Excecution is neccesary, if a person murders another person then of course that murderer should be excecuted, he took away the life of another. "

What makes you think they just execute people for murder?

There are 68 capital offences in China, including things such as fraud, tax evasion and "separatism" (which means desire for independence on the part of people in territories occupied by China, such as Tibet and Xinjiang), and many besides.

The reason is China's appalling human rights record. It is a country run by an arbitrary, repressive, undemocratic tyranny, in which dissent is brutally suppressed, and every civilised norm of constitutional and legal behaviour flouted. Its Communist Party rules by force.

Trials are a mockery, with no proper defence; often they last just a few minutes, with condemned prisoners being taken out and shot in the head in public directly afterwards. In many cases corneas are removed from prisoners' eyes before execution, and kidneys and other organs afterwards, for use in transplant surgery. Such organs are not infrequently sold for use abroad.

Adam   Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:55 pm GMT
You don't have to do much in China to be executed -

In a well publicized example in 1996, a man was sentenced to death for repeatedly causing what appears to be only minor harm to others. Lu Qigang was sentenced to death for the crime of ‘hooliganism’ by Beijing No 1 Intermediate People’s Court. It was reported that Lu, a worker at a horticultural farm, stuck thorns and pointed sticks or needles into the buttocks of female cyclists in the local area.

Eight people were executed in Ningde, Fujian province, on 13 August 1996 for stealing pigs worth 14,432 yuan (US $1,738);

Zhang Xizhong, a man who was executed in Sichuan province on 13 May 1996 after being convicted of stealing 14 cattle;

Chen Zhong and two other men executed in Sichuan province on 26 June 1996 for attempting to steal Value Added Tax receipts from a tax office;
Levo   Fri May 11, 2007 10:40 am GMT
German is very ugly indeed.