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A message to Frederick From Norway and Fab
dear LAA,
"France is less catholic"
Really? so call you explain to all of us why you can only find some catacombs in 3 european cities?
Roma
Lyon
Paris
As you notice, there aren't any catacombes in Spain.
Our accent is different, but what about the portuguese?
Are the portuguese people northern people? LOL LOL
How can you explain the fact that everywhere i have been in Europe. All the people think i am italian but i am french.
You could make any difference between 12 french guys and some italians in Italy.
I am more latin than you.
Stereotypes, stereotypes, stereotypes. All of you, put down your books and go take a walk in the world. Travel abit, it will refresh your ideas, really.
Sander wrote:
"Like I said before, I was born out of a primal urge for procreation"
LOL! :-) :-) :-)
Poor us Northern Europeans....
LAA,
You are really sooooo primitive with yous preconceptions on Europe, Latinism and Northeuropeans... My god, please let it go!!! you are starting to sound really ridiculous. You know what? you have claimed several times in your postings your Mexican ancestry and seem to use it as a flag for defend Latin peoples when you make your poor and biased analysis of the peoples in Europe, but your Spanish sucks, and you don't seem to exhibit any of the traits you praise from the Latin peoples (which to begin with are a wide continuum of characters and there are a lot of exceptions)!!!!
Summary: Your posts deviating from languages and linguistics are truly a disaster.... please stop sharing your primitiveness in this forum. You are always welcome to discuse matters of a bit more of the common interest in this forum. Nobody is throwing you out... just FOCUS!!!!!
No hard feelings.
By the way, both Germanic and Latin peoples have a lot of fascinating things of their own, and both have disadvantages. They have always had to adapt to their environmental and social circumstances, just as EVERY people on earth!!!!... and with your comments you are acting like the typical American stereotype, pseudointelectual and yes, with arrogance in your tone... Because of attitudes like yours, nice American people are often not welcomed abroad.
Anti LAA,
As said LAA, he does not need to see a country to speak about it. He is 140 IQ and a specialist of History, french, spanish, Italian, bla bla bla bla bla
Oh yes, I just forgot it, my inferior IQ didn't allow me to remember that.
I beg you he has not even been in Europe one single time.
By the way, the IQ test and index are being reviewed seriously by many modern psychologists, because it is seriously considered to be obsolete and wrong. Perhaps they have a lot of LAA's at their consults.
You know I seriously regret ever bringing up my IQ. I brought it up one time, not in a bragging way, in response to someone twice, or three times my age, who challenged my mental capabilities.
And it's not as if 140 IQ is something incredible amongst intellectuals. A 145 IQ is the minimum for genius. I imagine many of you who are interested in something like linguistics, (which the average joe finds incredibly boring and dry, and would label as "nerdish") have a very high IQ.
Sure, I am very young, and I am smarter than nearly all of my classmates, but I don't claim to be a genius. I may be young, and I may be naturally gifted, but for what I excel in, I lack in other things. I am notorious for being ill equipped for simple things, like folding a paper a certain way, etc. I am not good at math, and I don't take much of an extra-ciricular interest in science. I am not boasting, I am just pragmatic, and speak the truth when I see it.
For all of you who derive some sick pleasure for belittling a 16 year old (a blatant sign of insecurity), ask yourself how much you knew at my age.
I am young, and yes, I have much to learn. There are certain things one can only learn through experience, and I acknowledge that. But I also possess wisdom far beyond my years, and I have a right to discuss such topics with people who share common interests.
Now, in response to Fab's reply. Fab, ask yourself. Did I ever mention Latin America, even once, in this thread? Nearly all of your reply to my original post in this thread was related to Latin America, when I never mentioned Latin America here in the first place. The two Latin countries which I offered as an example in this thread, were Spain and Italy. I purposely did not mention the Latin American countries on this thread, because I know of the strong Amerindian influence in some regions. I have traveled throughout Latin America, and have seen it with my own eyes.
And this thread was not about questioning whether France was a Latin country or not. I said plainly that "France is a Latin country". What I called into question was its relationship with Spain and Italy, and its degree of cultural similiarity.
"We can also hear a lot of time the word latin (especially in the US) linkd to only central and south Americans, and especially the mestizo population. NowadaysMost Americans generally think that "latin" is not linked to the mediterranean but to latin-America only, with the exclusion of all European, not only french but also Spaniards and Italians.
Is it because most people use this word that way that it is the correct meaning ?
On the other way, south European and mediterranean are the same thing ? Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, turquey or Greece are of course mediterranean; Are they of latin ethnicity ? "
You really need to work on your reading comprehension. You do not have to tell me that most Americans think that "latin" carries only Latin American conotations. I am fully aware of that. I'm talking about Latin Europe, and you know it, so there is no reason to even bring that up.
"On the other way, south European and mediterranean are the same thing ? Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, turquey or Greece are of course mediterranean; Are they of latin ethnicity ? "
Fab, why do you have to get so hung up on trivial details and take everything to an unrealistic extreme? Why can't you just use common sense, and debate the real issue at hand? Of course I'm not referring to Algerians, Egyptians, or Turks. When used in this context, anyone with half a brain would know that by Mediterranean, we are referring to European mediterranean peoples. Please don't be so childish as to have me write out "North Mediterranean" or "European Mediterranean".
Think what you want Fab. You're entitled to your own opinion, however dissolusioned that may be.
And for all of you on this board, please approach my posts with some more practicality. By saying that one culture is more "war-like", do not take that to mean that they are all brave and fearless warriors, and that the other culture is full of nothing but cowardly weaklings, who shake in their boots at the sound of the approaching "war-like" ones. That is not what that means. But surely you can recognize that say, the Aztecs for example, had a more war like culture than the Italians.
One culture being "effeminated" by luxury, art, culture, etc., does not make them cowardly. But if their culture is less preocupied with war, and things of a martial nature, than I would say that they are less war-like.
For someone from an Anglo culture, kissing your male friend on the cheek all the time, and wearing jewlery, would be considered very feminine, and unmanly.
If in one culture, men avoided close physical contact with other men, via hugging, and cheek kissing, or didn't try to show their emotions, in order to convey a sense of manliness, then yes, I would say that these people were less effeminate.
Once again, people are putting words into my mouth, and reading beyoned the text. I never once said that the northerners were "barbarians", or that I was a "Roman citizen". There are a lot of things I admire about the Northern countries.
I didn't claim that Northern European peoples were incapable of an attachment to art, or creating artistic achievements. It is just that these characteristics are associated with places like Italy, the birthplace of the Rennaisance, and Paris. It is what sets them apart as a people, it is what gives them more uniqueness, it is one of those identifying factors.
These are generalizations, yes, but there is no problem in that. For instance, Europeans, (and many do), ridicule Americans for being so fat. They say we are a nation of "fat people". I don't object to that, because in my opinion, this is true, for obesity is much more common in America than it is elsewhere. I don't counter these opinions with something like: "That is such a sterotype. Only 30% of Americans are obese. What about the other 70% who aren't obese? Are they not Americans because they are not fat?"
I wouldn't say that because it is silly. But this is the tactic that Fab continues to employ.
Or what about the general view that the U.S. is a very politically conservative nation? If a European point blank said that America is a very conservative, or right-wing country, I wouldn't object, because compared to Europe, we are very conservative. I wouldn't say something like: "Not all Americans are very conservative. We have some far left whackos here, who dream of a communist revolution. Go to New York, or Los Angeles, and you will find many a raving liberals, who preach of European style welfare state, with universal, state sponsored healthcare, and an end to the death penalty, and free reign for imposing gun control, and legalization of gay marriage."
No this would be silly, because America as a whole, is very conservative compared to Europe, especially Continental Europe.
So my point is, don't read into generalizations more than is required. If I make a statement about a culture, take it for what it is, and don't put words into my mouth. Read it with a share of common sense and practicality, and don't be so easily offended.
I'm not confusing anything,
You're not wise as you have yet to display the ability to make good judgments, based on a deep understanding and experience of life.
You haven't got much knowledge as you have no understanding of or information about a subject which has been obtained by experience or study, and which is either in a person's mind or possessed by people generally.
And finally, you're not intelligent as you have yet to show the the ability to learn, understand and make judgments or have opinions that are based on reason.
Well LAA,
You should add to your list of handicaps the ability to structure your ideas when you write. On the other hand,
>So my point is, don't read into generalizations more than is required.
Then you be careful how do you write your comments. No one has telephaty here, and the signals you most of time send are such, that you get guaranteed mistaken!!!!
>For all of you who derive some sick pleasure for belittling a 16 year old (a blatant sign of insecurity), ask yourself how much you knew at my age.
First, don't use your age as shield for your being attacked.
Second, intelligence is a very complex thing to measure, so don't you dare to assert that you are *smarter* than your classmates, because you surely don't know it!!! becareful with what you show off (and don't come to me saying that you are just describing your superior intelligence as an inevitable fact)
Again, no hard feelings.
« For someone from an Anglo culture, kissing your male friend on the cheek all the time, and wearing jewlery, would be considered very feminine, and unmanly. »
I don't see French and German males kissing each-other on a regular basis either. However, at my school, which is an all-boys school, we hug each-other frequently. I've never noticed males in France wearing any more jewellery than those in England either.
« No this would be silly, because America as a whole, is very conservative compared to Europe, especially Continental Europe. »
Unless you're talking strictly about economic policy, I don't really see that Britain is more *socially* conservative than 'Continental Europe' as a whole.
America is in all facets, more conservative than Europe.
Another thing. I don't have a problem with stereotyping my own country, or generalizing, because such things are rooted in fact, one way or the other.
Many people from outside the U.S., criticize Americans for their ignorance of the world outside their borders. Now, this is true in my opinion, and fits most Americans, in general. Now, that does not mean that there aren't well educated, intellectuals in America who know something of the world outside the U.S. There are plenty, there are millions. But, in general, I think most Europeans are more sophisticated and knowledgeable than most Americans.
Take a survery of a hundred average Americans, and you will find, that many, if not most of them, cannot point out Iraq on a map. This is pathetic! Very few Americans can speak another language. Most Americans think we are the most benevolent superpower ever to exist, and that our international conquests, or "regime changes" of third world countries are merely acts of kindness, - a modern day version of Kipling's "white man's burden".
So yes, America, taken as a whole, seems ignorant and backward in the eyes of many foreigners, and rightly so.
So, what's wrong with that? There are several Americans on this board who are no doubt, well educated, sophisticated, and knowledgeable. But that doesn't change how America, is as a nation, or "in general".
"Again, no hard feelings."
How should I take your criticism lightly, when your screen name is "Anti-LAA"????
"You're not wise as you have yet to display the ability to make good judgments, based on a deep understanding and experience of life.
You haven't got much knowledge as you have no understanding of or information about a subject which has been obtained by experience or study, and which is either in a person's mind or possessed by people generally.
And finally, you're not intelligent as you have yet to show the the ability to learn, understand and make judgments or have opinions that are based on reason. "
That's all your opinion Sander. And for your information, knowledge is something that is required, by means of learning and experience. Wisdom is the application of such knowledge, and one's intelligence is not something that can be cultivated, but it is something that you are born with.
An illiterate peasant could be more intelligent than a Rhodes scholar, yet still have an inferior amount of knowledge.
Not that I'm trying to be haughty or self-assuming, but for a 16 year old, I'm pretty damn smart, and if you refuse to outwardly acknowledge that, and even claim that I'm stupid, then you're just being silly and you know it. I'm very intelligent, and so is pretty much everyone on this board. I don't agree with Fab most of the time, but I won't lie for the sake of an argument and say that he is not intelligent. I don't agree with you at all Sander, but you're fairly intelligent, and I have no problem admitting that.
So, why don't you all try being honest with yourselves and all others on this board for a change, and for the love of God, be practical.
« America is in all facets, more conservative than Europe. »
More conservative even than Greece in all facets, you think?
Okay, I take that back. In economics, and most political aspects, it is very conservative. Although the former Eastern Block countries have recently liberalized their economy even more so than the free-market driven economy of the U.S.
France and Germany's economic policies have been a proven failure, as is evidenced by their pitiful GDP growth rates. The answer for them is to cut taxes, reduce overbearing regulations, and restore a greater work ethic among the workforce who think nothing of taking a whole month off of work in the middle of the summer. If the EU ever wants to rival the U.S. in the geopolitical sphere, it will have to do something to reverse the trend of inevitable aging of the population and stagnant population growth and economic growth. Give it up Chirac, it's just a dream...
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