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<<Just curious, Josh Lalonde, was that a typo or do you really pronounce it that way? The "l" key is close to the "o" key which is why I'm asking.>>
No, it's not a typo. I have a process called l-vocalisation that changes historic /l/ into a vowel in certain situations. The actual realization is somewhere between [U] and [o], but I think [o] is more accurate, and also avoids confusion with /U/, which for me is unrounded and central, something like [I\], whereas my vocalized /l/ is fully back and rounded.
<<What about "film"? I pronounce it [fIm].>>
I've never heard of this pronunciation. I say ["fIom].
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[5] and [m] don't seem to get along in my accent. Along with [fIm] for "film" I also pronounce "calm", "palm" and "almond" as [kAm], [pAm] and [Am@nt].
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<<I also pronounce "calm", "palm" and "almond" as [kAm], [pAm] and [Am@nt].>>
These are more common. I have phonemically analogous pronunciations: ["kQ:m], ["pQ:m], and ["Q:m.n=d]. For 'palm' and 'calm', the /l/-less pronunciations are standard in most varieties; the presence of /l/ is probably the result of spelling pronunciation.
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I can't imagine saying "palm," "calm," or "almond" without the /l/, and I've never heard these words pronounced any other way.
Similarly, in my variety "film" and "kiln" retain their /l/ sounds; about the only word I can think of where I don't insert the /l/ sound is "salmon."
Out of curiosity, what variety of English would you call this?
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>><<Just curious, Josh Lalonde, was that a typo or do you really pronounce it that way? The "l" key is close to the "o" key which is why I'm asking.>>
No, it's not a typo. I have a process called l-vocalisation that changes historic /l/ into a vowel in certain situations. The actual realization is somewhere between [U] and [o], but I think [o] is more accurate, and also avoids confusion with /U/, which for me is unrounded and central, something like [I\], whereas my vocalized /l/ is fully back and rounded.<<
When I transcribe [U] for my /l/ it actually is fully backed and rounded, as I actually mean [U] proper not not that which is often transcribed as such in English dialects, whereas my /U/ tends to be at least somewhat centralized in nature, and in formal speech is normally just [U_+] but can at times become [}] in very unstressed words. However, though, I only have rounded realizations of /l/ after rounded vowels or in the case of /l/ following a reduced vowel following /w/.
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(Well, sometimes the [U] from /l/ is a bit less rounded than, say, [o] in my dialect, particularly in more careful speech, but it is still more rounded than, say, [Q].)
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I don't think I have ever used the word "kiln" in a sentence. I would not eliminate the "n".
As for film, that is [fIlm]. Calm is [kam], palm is [pam], but the first part of almond is [Qm].
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Palm Beach [pA:m bi:tS]
Long Beach [lAnG bi:tS]
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I pronounce "whorl" as [W3`.=5]. How do others pronounce it?
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<<I pronounce "whorl" as [W3`.=5]. How do others pronounce it?>>
I don't recall ever using this word, but I would say ['wO`o].
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Oops, that should be ["wO`o].
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<<I don't recall ever using this word, but I would say ['wO`o].>>
Such would sound weird to me. Where are you from?
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On a related question, what about "wet" and "whet"? For me the "w" is voiced in "wet" [wEt] and unvoiced in "whet" [WEt].
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I'm from Ottawa, Canada, but I don't think my realizations of /l/ and /r/ are 'normal' for this area. They seem to be more common for younger people, so maybe it is a developing trend. As for 'wet' and 'whet', they are the same for me. Older people around here do make the distinction, as do some English teachers or others who are trying to speak 'correctly', but most people don't.
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<<I'm from Ottawa, Canada, but I don't think my realizations of /l/ and /r/ are 'normal' for this area. They seem to be more common for younger people, so maybe it is a developing trend. As for 'wet' and 'whet', they are the same for me. Older people around here do make the distinction, as do some English teachers or others who are trying to speak 'correctly', but most people don't.>>
I'm from Alabama. I tend to insert an [r\] in "wash" which comes out as something like "warsh" [wOr\S]. Likewise, "washington" is [wOr\SInt@n]. I have no idea where this comes from.
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